Commeration of KoTBP Act (Amendment at Vote)

[Meeker]

Vote Count

Aye: 4 (Lewis, AndrewCT, HappyWarrior, Lief)
Nay: 4 (DWTL, PiT, Torie, SPC)
Abstain (Yet to vote): 2 (Al, Bacon King)

[minionofmidas]

Vote Count

Aye: 3 (Lewis, AndrewCT, HappyWarrior)
Nay: 4 (DWTL, PiT, Torie, SPC)
Abstain (Yet to vote): 3 (Al, Lief, Bacon King)

SPC replaces Jas and Lief replaces Sensei? Is that correct?

[minionofmidas]

Just checked the "welcome" thread. Apparently the vote stands at 4-4.

[Meeker]

Ah, you're correct. I'll go ahead and change all of Lief's votes to what Jas did.

[Meeker]

All should be correct now, let me know if there's an error.

[Lief 🗽]

Still Aye, ftr.

[Bacon King]

aye

[Meeker]

Vote Count

Aye: 5 (Lewis, AndrewCT, HappyWarrior, Lief, Bacon King)
Nay: 4 (DWTL, PiT, Torie, SPC)
Abstain (Yet to vote): 1 (Al)

[SPC]

Amendment to replace the entire text with...

End to Clogging Act

Article 3, Section 2, Clause 2 of the OSPR is amended to read:

"At any one time there may be no more than four (4) Bills/Constitutional Amendments/Resolutions on the Senate Floor being debated upon or voted upon by the Senate. In the event that one Senator has introduced three or more bills is succession, and another Senator has introduced another bill subsequent to the Senator, the PPT shall place no more than two of the original Senator's bills on the Senate floor at a time."

Offered as friendly.

[Meeker]

Let me know if you wish to accept it as friendly, Down

[SPC]

Let me know if you wish to accept it as friendly, Down

Just wondering, if Down were to accept the friendly amendment, would the text of the bill be mine, or would it still be Lewis', since his amendment looks like to pass?

[Meeker]

If for some reason it was accepted, then it would become the text of the bill. However, Lewis and any other Senator has twenty-four hours to object to the friendly amendment.

[minionofmidas]

Wouldn't that depend on whether it was accepted before or after the amendment passes? Although I suppose the relevant point is the end of that 24 hour objections time window, so it would be after.

But as SPC's amendment was apparently written without any grasp of what the OSPR is or what it currently says or how you amend it, clearly it would be objected to despite its obvious good intentions.

You want a rules change like that, you name it an Amendment to the OSPR - and thus a Senate Resolution, not a Bill - and you actually read through the OSPR to see which passages need to be amended.
And you'd be well advised not to reduce the number of bills that can be before the Senate at any one time, sticking to the second half of your first draft attempt.
And then you hope that the next PPT uses his powers of using the "PPT's Discretion" slot for this so it actually gets to the floor before all your other bills.

[Meeker]

I don't intend to officially open debate on SPC's amendment until after your amendment has been voted upon, and since DWTL can only accept as a friendly once debate has started on it...

All the stuff you said about the OSPR is right, of course. I suppose I could just throw it out as frivolous.

[minionofmidas]

I don't intend to officially open debate on SPC's amendment until after your amendment has been voted upon, and since DWTL can only accept as a friendly once debate has started on it...

Well if that's the rule (I suppose you're right.) then there was also Jas' amendment in the cue in between. Though I guess that's considered withdrawn as he's left the Senate.

[Meeker]

Jas' amendment may actually be acceptable - we're supposed to allow legislative functions to continue uninterrupted, and the only thing it mentions that a new Senator may alter in Article 9 is votes... I'll take a closer look at it after a sleep a few hours.

In the event that I decide to allow it though it would be considered before SPC's, of course.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I accept as friendly although I do not necessarily think its worded properly.  I just want time to replace the text with something else

[SPC]

Wouldn't that depend on whether it was accepted before or after the amendment passes? Although I suppose the relevant point is the end of that 24 hour objections time window, so it would be after.

But as SPC's amendment was apparently written without any grasp of what the OSPR is or what it currently says or how you amend it, clearly it would be objected to despite its obvious good intentions.

You want a rules change like that, you name it an Amendment to the OSPR - and thus a Senate Resolution, not a Bill - and you actually read through the OSPR to see which passages need to be amended.
And you'd be well advised not to reduce the number of bills that can be before the Senate at any one time, sticking to the second half of your first draft attempt.
And then you hope that the next PPT uses his powers of using the "PPT's Discretion" slot for this so it actually gets to the floor before all your other bills.

I actually looked at the OSPR on the Wiki and I did not change the first half of the bill. Either that is the OSPR or the Wiki needs some serious updating.

[minionofmidas]

You might just want to learn to read more closely.

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Current_Senate_Rules%2C_Regulations%2C_and_Procedures

Of course there's also an entry with the original OSPR. As these have been amended billions of times and so that people don't have to look in billions of places, the above page is linked to from the top of the Senate Resolutions list. A similar arrangement exists for voting law.

[SPC]

You might just want to learn to read more closely.

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Current_Senate_Rules%2C_Regulations%2C_and_Procedures

Of course there's also an entry with the original OSPR. As these have been amended billions of times and so that people don't have to look in billions of places, the above page is linked to from the top of the Senate Resolutions list. A similar arrangement exists for voting law.

Oh sorry about that. I must have been looking at the original page. I will come up with a new amendment shortly.

[Bacon King]

If Jas's amendment doesn't flow to the new Senate I repropose it.

[Meeker]

Final Tally

Aye: 5 (Lewis, AndrewCT, HappyWarrior, Lief, Bacon King)
Nay: 4 (DWTL, PiT, Torie, SPC)
Abstain (Did not vote): 1 (Al)

With five in favor, four opposed and one abstaining, the amendment passes.

We're now voting on the Jas/Bacon King amendment.

[SPC]

Nay

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Abstain

[Lief 🗽]

Aye