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« Reply #10225 on: October 06, 2012, 10:13:14 am »
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That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.
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« Reply #10226 on: October 06, 2012, 10:32:26 am »
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That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.
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« Reply #10227 on: October 06, 2012, 12:15:28 pm »
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Approve 50% (+2)
Disapprove 45% (+2)

I would not be too surprised if there was an overly pro-Obama sample that would be still in there.  I would not be too concerned about a big drop tomorrow, if it happens.

Head to 49/46 Obama.


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« Reply #10228 on: October 06, 2012, 02:20:59 pm »
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That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it. 
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« Reply #10229 on: October 06, 2012, 02:23:07 pm »
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That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it. 

Only the electorate could prevent it.  I'm tempted to say, "Bring it on."
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« Reply #10230 on: October 07, 2012, 02:26:18 am »
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That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it.  

Dream on. There isn't going to be another liberal in the White House for yet another generation. It took 28 years to go from Carter to Obama. It will take another 28 years, at the least, before America turns to another liberal.

Please run a liberal against Mitt in 2016. We, as in those of us who despise modern economic "liberalism" (AKA "trickle-down government"), would love to defeat a liberal in a landslide again.
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« Reply #10231 on: October 07, 2012, 08:44:54 am »
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Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.

Head to head is at 49/47 Romney/Obama (u).

The numbers include  a sample taken after the debate and 2/3 after the job numbers.  It might very well be ephemeral.


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« Reply #10232 on: October 07, 2012, 11:10:35 am »
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Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.

Head to head is at 49/47 Romney/Obama (u).

The numbers include  a sample taken after the debate and 2/3 after the job numbers.  It might very well be ephemeral.




Makes no sense that Romney is ahead Obama when his approval is at 50.
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« Reply #10233 on: October 07, 2012, 12:04:08 pm »
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Gallup

Approve 48% (-2)
Disapprove 46% (+1)


Head to 49/46 Obama, unchanged.



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« Reply #10234 on: October 07, 2012, 01:54:45 pm »
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That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it.  

Dream on. There isn't going to be another liberal in the White House for yet another generation. It took 28 years to go from Carter to Obama. It will take another 28 years, at the least, before America turns to another liberal.

Please run a liberal against Mitt in 2016. We, as in those of us who despise modern economic "liberalism" (AKA "trickle-down government"), would love to defeat a liberal in a landslide again.

First, of all, if Carter was so darn liberal, why did Ted Kennedy primary him?

Second, that's all predicated on the economy of 2016 being better than today's.  Sometime soon, Germany will decide it's had enough and call off the Euro.  There's really nothing any American can do about it, and I would be shocked if they held out past 2016.  When that happens, the fallout could make the economy of 2012 look like 1998.  People on either side could very well be left wishing they had lost this election.
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« Reply #10235 on: October 07, 2012, 05:19:32 pm »
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That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it.  

Dream on. There isn't going to be another liberal in the White House for yet another generation. It took 28 years to go from Carter to Obama. It will take another 28 years, at the least, before America turns to another liberal.

Please run a liberal against Mitt in 2016. We, as in those of us who despise modern economic "liberalism" (AKA "trickle-down government"), would love to defeat a liberal in a landslide again.

First, of all, if Carter was so darn liberal, why did Ted Kennedy primary him?

A number of reasons. One, social issues. Kennedy was much more liberal on the social front (He was talking about gay marriage with San Francisco liberals before AIDS came on the scene). Two, Carter was making liberalism look bad on the economic front (high inflation, stagflation, talking about "crisis of confidence," and so forth). More than anything, though, Ted Kennedy wanted to be president and Washington Democrats did not like Carter's inability to be chummy with them. Carter was an outsider, and Teddy was the ultimate insider who felt entitled to the presidency.

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Second, that's all predicated on the economy of 2016 being better than today's.  Sometime soon, Germany will decide it's had enough and call off the Euro.  There's really nothing any American can do about it, and I would be shocked if they held out past 2016.  When that happens, the fallout could make the economy of 2012 look like 1998.  People on either side could very well be left wishing they had lost this election.

While the world may be facing a downturn soon, America is insulated from the Euro contagion more so than any other large nation on the planet. I eagerly welcome the death of the Euro, something I have wanted for years, because it ends the threat to our preeminence as the world's reserve currency (Unless Obama hands China the ammunition to eventually destroy our currency, of course). Almost nobody quite understands how big of a deal it is having the greenback as the world's reserve currency.
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« Reply #10236 on: October 07, 2012, 06:30:46 pm »
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You know that if the Euro collapses, your dollar collapses too, right?
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« Reply #10237 on: October 07, 2012, 06:56:12 pm »
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American debt will probably crash the USD much sooner.
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« Reply #10238 on: October 07, 2012, 08:06:49 pm »
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You know that if the Euro collapses, your dollar collapses too, right?

The collapse of the Euro would increase demand for the greenback, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Ultimately, the Eurocrats will probably find a way to convert away from the Euro and back onto single currencies while keeping the other aspects of the EU intact. The only thing that will change is the end of the monetary union. The Eurocrats will find a way to reverse the adoption of the Euro, or they are really screwed. I have faith in Germany's ability to solve this conundrum without severe ramifications abroad. Obviously Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are in trouble, but I am confident that the contagion will be largely restricted to the weaker, irresponsible areas of Europe.

If things get really bad, obviously people will seek shelter. All else equal, people will choose the safest part of the world, which will be North America (i.e., USA and Canada). All else equal, people will be especially interested in having the world's reserve currency (i.e., USD).

But, by all means, defend Europe instead of America. I would expect no less from a liberal. Just don't forget what was sewed in Osama Bin Laden's jacket, and what denomination Saddam Hussein wanted to trade Iraqi oil in...
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« Reply #10239 on: October 08, 2012, 08:51:58 am »
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Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 51%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -2.

Head to head is at 48/48 Romney/Obama (-1/+1).

Sample includes all numbers after debate and jobs report.
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« Reply #10240 on: October 08, 2012, 12:03:38 pm »
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Approve 51%, +3.

Disapprove 44%, -2.


Head to head is at 50/45 Obama/Romney (+1/-1).

The bounce truly was ephemeral.
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« Reply #10241 on: October 08, 2012, 12:08:47 pm »
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Yeah, it looks like Mitt has peaked.
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« Reply #10242 on: October 08, 2012, 12:12:01 pm »
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Gallup

Approve 51% (+3)
Disapprove 44% (-2)


Head to 50/45 Obama, +1/-1.



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« Reply #10243 on: October 08, 2012, 12:56:45 pm »
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......wooooooooow. What more can be said about numbers like that? Just wow.
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« Reply #10244 on: October 08, 2012, 01:55:07 pm »
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If his approvals stay around there, that's at least a 4 point win.
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« Reply #10245 on: October 08, 2012, 02:53:25 pm »
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If his approvals stay around there, that's at least a 4 point win.

There was a 2 and 4 point gain on Gallup on the 10/3 and 10/4, respectively, for Obama.  It boosted the weekly numbers, but it passed.  I think this is too.
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« Reply #10246 on: October 08, 2012, 03:10:37 pm »
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Strange.
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« Reply #10247 on: October 09, 2012, 08:48:40 am »
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Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49%, -2.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +3.

Head to head is at 48/48 Romney/Obama (u).

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« Reply #10248 on: October 09, 2012, 12:04:03 pm »
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Gallup

Approve 53 (+2)
Dissaprove 42 (-2)
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« Reply #10249 on: October 09, 2012, 12:06:37 pm »
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Approve 53% (+2)
Disapprove 42% (-2)


Head to Head, Registered:

Obama:  49 -1

Romney: 46 +1

Head to Head, Likely:

Obama:  47, -1

Romney, 49, +1

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

The bounce does not appear to be ephemeral. 

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