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opebo
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« on: January 23, 2009, 02:33:07 PM »

What has Bush's Caligula-like treasury busting benefited the nation?

It benefited his constituency, Einzige, and they're the only ones who matter.
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 03:10:48 PM »

towards the end the superrich began to get seriously injured as well by the financial collapse.

No, they cannot be injured.  You see, if everyone is your slave, it doesn't matter if you have 100 million or a billion.. the position at the top of the ape-heap is the key.
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opebo
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 03:23:25 PM »

towards the end the superrich began to get seriously injured as well by the financial collapse.

No, they cannot be injured.  You see, if everyone is your slave, it doesn't matter if you have 100 million or a billion.. the position at the top of the ape-heap is the key.


what if you beat them with a baseball bat. can you injure them that way?

Your suggestion does appeal to me, Aizen, and it is a lovely fantasy, but how often is a society upended?

I can assure you that you cannot get near to the elite no matter how hard you try, particularly if you are holding a baseball bat.
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opebo
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2009, 04:26:19 AM »

The debt will yield a profit one day? That is simply delusional. It's based on the notion that somehow the old, over-inflated market values will return "when the economy recovers". Except that the old, over-inflated market values were based on debt in the first place. So basically the only way this bad debt will "yield a profit" is if more bad debt is generated.

No, debt is not bad if it is 'paid back', even if that is just with printed money.  We have gone through this before Beet - the first depression was eventually followed by increased asset values.  How?  Printing money in enormous quantities.

But what the government needs to do is to start recognizing losses, the sooner the better.

What the hell difference will 'recognizing losses' make?  You simply have to make economic activity occur again. 

Oh yes, and Bush will go down in history as the President who presided over the downfall of America, although to be fair he was a clueless idiot, and it is Mr. Greenspan who should have known better (and mayhap he did).

Edit: Though I am afraid to say, but is true, most of the visible deterioration will likely occur under Obama.

Oh please.  There is no need for this - we're having a depression, a deflation.  This is entirely a phenomenon created by bad State policy enforcing a certain kind of behavior on the masses.  We can simply change these policies, just as has been done before.  The solutions are right there in the history books, and there is no need to accept a 'downfall' just because of a psychological phenomenon.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2009, 01:35:43 PM »

Do I really have to be the one to point out that the lion's share of that cost comes from Social Security and Medicare?  And that when Bush tried to talk about making entitlements solvent, both Republicans and Democrats in Congress scurried like roaches when the light comes on?

No, none of the $11.5 trillion mentioned in this thread was from Social Security or Medicare. 

Also, of course these programs are perfectly solvent, as is evidenced by the fact that millions of checks are paid every month.  What Bush proposed was to do away with these programs (i.e. 'privatize' them), not to make them solvent.
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