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Question: What should the Republican Party be?
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A national, mainstream center-right coalition of conservatives, libertarians, and moderates that is dedicated to small but effective government, and recognizes that diversity is a strength
 
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A party with a singular conservative, pure ideology that does not vary for regional concerns, does not recognize the diversity of our country, and seeks to "change reality" rather than study and adjust for real-world needs
 
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« on: January 26, 2009, 02:41:44 PM »

Perhaps I'm issuing an open invitation for Phil to berate me with more attacks, but I believe this is the fundamental question for Republicans.

We have entire movements within the Republican Party that are dedicated to purging those within the Party who disagree with them.

33% of Americans identify themselves as conservative, and this number has remained stable for years.  50% of Americans identify themselves as moderate.  With such a disparity in ideological self-identification, why would it make sense for the Republican Party to lampoon moderation (as Rush Limbaugh does all the time) and to systematically remove moderate Republican elected officials?
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 02:48:20 PM »

*cough* stupid thread *cough*
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 03:41:56 PM »

Perhaps I'm issuing an open invitation for Phil to berate me with more attacks, but I believe this is the fundamental question for Republicans.

We have entire movements within the Republican Party that are dedicated to purging those within the Party who disagree with them.

33% of Americans identify themselves as conservative, and this number has remained stable for years.  50% of Americans identify themselves as moderate.  With such a disparity in ideological self-identification, why would it make sense for the Republican Party to lampoon moderation (as Rush Limbaugh does all the time) and to systematically remove moderate Republican elected officials?

Becuase the Republican Party's greatest victories were with politcans like Reagan, and that people will vote Republican in the future because of Reagan not because of a big tent party.

Really that's what alot of populist conservatives use when talking about a bigger tent party.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 03:43:07 PM »

I'm pretty sure most know my answer
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 04:36:05 PM »

When Don can't debate, he resorts to his usual rhetoric and total mischaracterization of most conservatives.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 04:58:02 PM »

I don't think it is a clear cut choice between these two.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 07:15:53 PM »

Libertarians and moderates with conservatives out of government.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 07:18:30 PM »

Libertarians and moderates with conservatives out of government.

Idiot! Now they're gona shoot you.

Just so you guys know, if you take out one of ours--we're going after one of yours. =]
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 07:25:06 PM »

Well the phrasing of this question isn't biased at all... regardless, you know my answer, hopefully presented in a less self-aggrandizing way.


Becuase the Republican Party's greatest victories were with politcans like Reagan, and that people will vote Republican in the future because of Reagan not because of a big tent party.

Really that's what alot of populist conservatives use when talking about a bigger tent party.

This is a stupid argument. 58% of the country voted for Reagan in 1984 not because he was a "principled conservative", but because he was an inspiring leader and unifying figure who advocated common sense solutions to the problems of the day.

Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 07:50:47 PM »


Yeah, it's as fair and interesting as anything don has ever posted. Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 08:21:02 PM »



Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.

Get real. People vote against this party these days for one major reason: George W. Bush

2008, like 2006, had very little to do with ideology.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 08:26:05 PM »



Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.

Get real. People vote against this party these days for one major reason: George W. Bush

2008, like 2006, had very little to do with ideology.

Yeah, it obviously wasn't the Bush tax cuts and waterboarding, it was all that stuff people associate with George W. Bush.Wink
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 08:27:23 PM »



Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.

Get real. People vote against this party these days for one major reason: George W. Bush

2008, like 2006, had very little to do with ideology.

Yeah, it obviously wasn't the Bush tax cuts and waterboarding, it was all that stuff people associate with George W. Bush.Wink

No, I really don't think it was those issues. I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 08:31:50 PM »



Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.

Get real. People vote against this party these days for one major reason: George W. Bush

2008, like 2006, had very little to do with ideology.

Yeah, it obviously wasn't the Bush tax cuts and waterboarding, it was all that stuff people associate with George W. Bush.Wink

No, I really don't think it was those issues. I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Especially those making more than a million dollars a year. They adore them
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 08:32:30 PM »



Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.

Get real. People vote against this party these days for one major reason: George W. Bush

2008, like 2006, had very little to do with ideology.

Yeah, it obviously wasn't the Bush tax cuts and waterboarding, it was all that stuff people associate with George W. Bush.Wink

No, I really don't think it was those issues. I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Especially those making more than a million dollars a year. They adore them

Good for them. My middle class family certainly enjoyed it.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2009, 08:37:49 PM »



Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.

Get real. People vote against this party these days for one major reason: George W. Bush

2008, like 2006, had very little to do with ideology.

Yeah, it obviously wasn't the Bush tax cuts and waterboarding, it was all that stuff people associate with George W. Bush.Wink

No, I really don't think it was those issues. I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Not so much what the tax cuts are as what they have done and what they've failed to do...

They were sold as "recession insurance"... what?

Oh, and we have massive budget deficits...

Sure, the main issue is a lack of fiscal restraint, but while it's all well and good to rail against excess spending, the tax cuts, too, were a part of that irresponsibility.

But that's not the issue... I wasn't criticizing the tax cuts, I was criticizing the Republican Party for selling tax cuts as a cure-all for society's ills... also, it was kind of a joke.

I found it quite humorous... especially the bit about the Ouija board... nobody? Screw you guys, I'm going home.
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2009, 11:11:26 PM »



Similarly, 55% of the electorate voted against Republican House candidates in 2008 not because they were too moderate, but because the party has become a stubborn, divisive monolith which seems to think the only solutions to today's issues are making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, waterboarding, and attempting to contact Ronald Reagan on the Ouija board.

Get real. People vote against this party these days for one major reason: George W. Bush

2008, like 2006, had very little to do with ideology.

Yeah, it obviously wasn't the Bush tax cuts and waterboarding, it was all that stuff people associate with George W. Bush.Wink

No, I really don't think it was those issues. I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Especially those making more than a million dollars a year. They adore them

Good for them. My middle class family certainly enjoyed it.

Your middle class family would have had larger tax cuts under Gore.
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2009, 11:12:38 PM »

Option One Please.
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2009, 11:17:21 PM »

I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Our grandchildren will love them too, it will give them something to remember us by when they are slaving away in a Chinese-owned factory trying to pay off the debt we created.
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2009, 11:26:10 PM »

I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Our grandchildren will love them too, it will give them something to remember us by when they are slaving away in a Chinese-owned factory trying to pay off the debt we created.

Don being critical of George W. Bush? I must be seeing things.

Anyway, I'm sure the tax cuts were the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to our grandchildren slaving away in a Chinese factory.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2009, 11:36:45 PM »

I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Our grandchildren will love them too, it will give them something to remember us by when they are slaving away in a Chinese-owned factory trying to pay off the debt we created.

I blame that on spending, rather than tax cuts. 
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2009, 11:45:02 PM »

I think people still like those tax cuts, my friend.

Our grandchildren will love them too, it will give them something to remember us by when they are slaving away in a Chinese-owned factory trying to pay off the debt we created.

I blame that on spending, rather than tax cuts. 

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2009, 11:46:26 PM »

Anyway, I'm sure the tax cuts were the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to our grandchildren slaving away in a Chinese factory.  Roll Eyes

Tax cuts.  War.  Bailouts.  Earmarks.  Pork.  Entitlements.  All things for our grandchildren to ponder while they are learning Mandarin.
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2009, 12:07:06 AM »

Anyway, I'm sure the tax cuts were the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to our grandchildren slaving away in a Chinese factory.  Roll Eyes

Tax cuts.  War.  Bailouts.  Earmarks.  Pork.  Entitlements.  All things for our grandchildren to ponder while they are learning Mandarin.

All things that your hero wanted, by the way.  Wink

By the way, I opposed half of those things listed and so did most conservatives.
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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2009, 12:13:14 AM »

Anyway, I'm sure the tax cuts were the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to our grandchildren slaving away in a Chinese factory.  Roll Eyes

Tax cuts.  War.  Bailouts.  Earmarks.  Pork.  Entitlements.  All things for our grandchildren to ponder while they are learning Mandarin.

All things that your hero wanted, by the way.  Wink

By the way, I opposed half of those things listed and so did most conservatives.

so did Wayne Gilchrest Smiley
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