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« on: January 29, 2009, 01:37:18 AM »
Is Woodrow Wilson to blame for neoconservatism?
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 01:52:09 AM »
No, not really.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 05:01:47 AM »
You're in the right general period, but you've picked the wrong politician.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 08:58:08 AM »
Trotsky wasn't a politician.  that's one of the reasons why he lost.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 09:18:07 AM »
No, of course not.  Wilson's ideals were followed by liberals for decades, and some liberals still hold his views.  Eve neocons seem not to cite Wilson as an influence; Scoop Jackson is a more likely founder of neoconservatism than Wilson.
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2009, 09:19:27 AM »
Quote from: © Warren Buffett buys groceries on January 29, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
Trotsky wasn't a politician.  that's one of the reasons why he lost.

Heh. No, he was certainly a politician. A very bad one as it happens. That's one of the reasons why he lost.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2009, 09:21:48 AM »
Yes.
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2009, 09:47:15 AM »
Woodrow Wilson Guthrie is not to blame for anything.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2009, 09:55:37 AM »
To an extent yes. Wilsonianism did after all stress the importance of spreading democracy. Although Wilson did support internationalism in a way that neo-Cons fundamentally do not. I'd cite Hegel, Trotsky, Strauss, etc. as much more influential figures.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2009, 10:50:46 AM »
Quote from: Mint on January 29, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
To an extent yes. Wilsonianism did after all stress the importance of spreading democracy. Although Wilson did support internationalism in a way that neo-Cons fundamentally do not. I'd cite Hegel, Trotsky, Strauss, etc. as much more influential figures.
This is correct. Wilson was an extremely limited influence on neoconservatism. He's certainly not "to blame" for it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2009, 11:33:03 AM »
No.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2009, 11:38:54 AM »
He influenced it, just as he influenced modern liberal foreign policy.
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2009, 02:16:44 PM »
partly
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2009, 03:28:48 PM »
Using a but for test, its hard to think that without Woodrow Wilson, Neoconservativism fails to make an appearance.

But he helped.

My answer though: No.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2009, 10:34:59 AM »
Quote from: Alderman on January 29, 2009, 05:01:47 AM
You're in the right general period, but you've picked the wrong politician.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 12:03:18 AM »
Quote from: Mint on January 29, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
To an extent yes. Wilsonianism did after all stress the importance of spreading democracy. Although Wilson did support internationalism in a way that neo-Cons fundamentally do not. I'd cite Hegel, Trotsky, Strauss, etc. as much more influential figures.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 12:34:47 AM »
How the hell can you blame Trotsky for neoconservatism?
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2009, 12:35:56 AM »
Quote from: Fritz and Tits on January 31, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
How the hell can you blame Trotsky for neoconservatism?

world revolution/internationalism... some prominent neocons (such as Hitchens) are former Trotskyists
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2009, 07:04:56 AM »
Quote from: Fritz and Tits on January 31, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
How the hell can you blame Trotsky for neoconservatism?

Because Neoconservatism (or a great deal of it) grew out of [American] Trotskyism?
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2009, 02:12:50 PM »
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Quote from: Fritz and Tits on January 31, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
How the hell can you blame Trotsky for neoconservatism?

world revolution/internationalism... some prominent neocons (such as Hitchens) are former Trotskyists
I find that part of the argument amazingly stupid. Several prominent conservatives (such as Whittaker Chambers) were former communists, but would anybody seriously claim modern American conservatism grew out of communism?
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2009, 06:54:53 PM »
Quote from: Alderman on January 31, 2009, 07:04:56 AM
Quote from: Fritz and Tits on January 31, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
How the hell can you blame Trotsky for neoconservatism?

Because Neoconservatism (or a great deal of it) grew out of [American] Trotskyism?
Of course, what neoconservatives want to spread at the barrel of a gun and what Trotskyists wanted to spread at the barrel of a gun are very different.
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2009, 04:13:08 AM »
No
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