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Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Should a government program be implemented to provide for health care for all citizens?
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25 (62.5%)
Lean Yes
6 (15%)
Neutral
0 (0%)
Lean No
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Topic: Opinion of the Issue, part 17 (Read 1939 times)
Fmr. Emperor PiT
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Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Women in the Military
83.3; 5.6; 11.1; 0.0; 0.0
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Legalize Prostitution
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41.7; 25.0; 2.8; 11.1; 19.4
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44.0; 16.0; 0.0; 8.0; 32.0
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31.3; 28.1; 6.3; 9.4; 25.0
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Campaign Finance Reform
40.6; 15.6; 3.1; 6.3; 34.4
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19.4; 35.5; 3.2; 16.1; 25.8
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26.9; 11.5; 0.0; 7.7; 53.8
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31.3; 3.1; 9.4; 12.5; 43.8
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24.0; 8.0; 24.0; 12.0; 32.0
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Stricter Gun Control
22.6; 3.2; 9.7; 16.1; 48.4
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16.1; 9.7; 0.0; 6.5; 67.7
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Restrict Abortion
22.9; 0.0; 5.7; 20.0; 51.4
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9.1; 4.5; 4.5; 9.1; 72.7
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4.0; 4.0; 4.0; 12.0; 76.0
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Yes, although we should allow for people to purchase private healthcare too. Having at least a voluntary UHC Registry would reduce bankruptcy, help small business, lower premiums (through increased coverage), etc. There is a reason that countries like the Netherlands, France, etc. are ranked better overall in this area even if specialized care is better here. We could certainly implement some free market reforms to reduce costs though, like allowing for importation of drugs or buying health care insurance across state lines.
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Lean yes. The current system does not work, though it might be preferable to simply impose certain regulations. After all, the loss of a sector of the economy to governmental hegemony is not desirable.
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Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Absolutely.
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Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Quote from: Mint on February 05, 2009, 05:33:31 am
Yes, although we should allow for people to purchase private healthcare too. Having at least a voluntary UHC Registry would reduce bankruptcy, help small business, lower premiums (through increased coverage), etc. There is a reason that countries like the Netherlands, France, etc. are ranked better overall in this area even if specialized care is better here. We could certainly implement some free market reforms to reduce costs though, like allowing for importation of drugs or buying health care insurance across state lines.
this ^
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Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Lean no. Why not just give tax credits for medical procedures and insurance? It seems to be inevitable though. I just hope it doesn't retard future medical advances in the sake of giving everybody the same level of care in the mean time (even if it never will give everybody the same level of care).
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February 05, 2009, 11:24:08 am »
Certainly. Britain already has it.
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Absolutely not.
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Quote from: Dirty South Lt. Gov. Daniel Adams on February 05, 2009, 11:50:10 am
Absolutely not.
Good point. Could you clarify further?
Is it just a matter of principle here...that you like paying too much for healthcare and that you just don't think the government should be involved (regardless of actual arguments in favor)?
Or do you think sick people are at fault themselves if they aren't able to pay their medical bills?
I really do wonder what makes somebody say "absolutely not" to something like healthcare.
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Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Quote from: Attorney General Franzl on February 05, 2009, 07:23:37 am
Quote from: Mint on February 05, 2009, 05:33:31 am
Yes, although we should allow for people to purchase private healthcare too. Having at least a voluntary UHC Registry would reduce bankruptcy, help small business, lower premiums (through increased coverage), etc. There is a reason that countries like the Netherlands, France, etc. are ranked better overall in this area even if specialized care is better here. We could certainly implement some free market reforms to reduce costs though, like allowing for importation of drugs or buying health care insurance across state lines.
this ^
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My problem with allowing people to purchase health insurance from across state lines is that, from what I understand, they would be able to skirt state regulations.
Imagine if California had strict health insurance regulation, preventing you from discriminating based on pre-existing conditions, regulations on how much they could charge you, etc etc. But Utah had none of this. Would all the health insurance companies bolt California and head to Utah, where they would have free reign to do whatever they liked? It makes all regulation completely pointless if people can avoid them entirely.
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February 05, 2009, 04:12:32 pm »
Yes, although people should be able to opt-out of it if for some reason they don't want to be covered.
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Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Quote from: Dirty South Lt. Gov. Daniel Adams on February 05, 2009, 11:50:10 am
Absolutely not.
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Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 17
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Duh. The free market has proven a failure with regards to healthcare.
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Quote from: Senator Lief on February 05, 2009, 11:12:29 pm
Duh. The free market has proven a failure with regards to healthcare.
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Except there is no "free market" in regards to healthcare. Unless you redefine what "free market" means.
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HECK NO!
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Quote from: Senator PiT on February 05, 2009, 05:41:43 am
Lean yes. The current system does not work, though it might be preferable to simply impose certain regulations. After all, the loss of a sector of the economy to governmental hegemony is not desirable.
Ah, PiT, suggest you reread both the "call of the question," and your response.
Or are you turning in to a actual socialist/theoretical libertarian like Lunar?
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Well considering that I wouldn't even be alive without a state-run healthcare system (and I can say that with a degree of certainty, btw) I wonder how I voted in this poll...
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Quote from: Alderman on February 06, 2009, 11:34:48 am
Well considering that I wouldn't even be alive without a state-run healthcare system (and I can say that with a degree of certainty, btw) I wonder how I voted in this poll...
Obviously no since you believe in citizens needing to stand on their own two feet.
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Quote from: Alderman on February 06, 2009, 11:34:48 am
Well considering that I wouldn't even be alive without a state-run healthcare system (and I can say that with a degree of certainty, btw) I wonder how I voted in this poll...
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Absolutely.
Even if you don't care about the moral argument for it, there's the simple fact that it would save businesses millions of dollars in health care costs. That alone would help the economy quite a bit, as would of course minor benefits such as people being healthier and not dying and such.
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Quote from: CARLHAYDEN on February 06, 2009, 09:39:08 am
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 05, 2009, 05:41:43 am
Lean yes. The current system does not work, though it might be preferable to simply impose certain regulations. After all, the loss of a sector of the economy to governmental hegemony is not desirable.
Ah, PiT, suggest you reread both the "call of the question," and your response.
Or are you turning in to a actual socialist/theoretical libertarian like Lunar?
I forgot what the question that I posited actually was. Reviewing the question, my answer would have to be neutral to lean no.
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Quote from: Attorney General Franzl on February 05, 2009, 07:23:37 am
Quote from: Mint on February 05, 2009, 05:33:31 am
Yes, although we should allow for people to purchase private healthcare too. Having at least a voluntary UHC Registry would reduce bankruptcy, help small business, lower premiums (through increased coverage), etc. There is a reason that countries like the Netherlands, France, etc. are ranked better overall in this area even if specialized care is better here. We could certainly implement some free market reforms to reduce costs though, like allowing for importation of drugs or buying health care insurance across state lines.
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Also agreed (although why health insurance would be restricted/governed by state is beyond me).
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Quote from: He's A Lover Boy At Play; He Don't Play By Rules on February 05, 2009, 04:00:08 pm
My problem with allowing people to purchase health insurance from across state lines is that, from what I understand, they would be able to skirt state regulations.
Imagine if California had strict health insurance regulation, preventing you from discriminating based on pre-existing conditions, regulations on how much they could charge you, etc etc. But Utah had none of this. Would all the health insurance companies bolt California and head to Utah, where they would have free reign to do whatever they liked? It makes all regulation completely pointless if people can avoid them entirely.
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