Pennsylvania 2010 - The Official Thread

[TeePee4Prez]

Good thing he wasn't a far right wing ideologue to begin with... 

As I've said, Sestak now gets to be the "moderate slayer." We'll love every minute of it.

"Moderate slayer"?  Try old bumbling fool who should be retired slayer.  Sestak's moderate enough especially on economic issues.

[Keystone Phil]

Good thing he wasn't a far right wing ideologue to begin with... 

As I've said, Sestak now gets to be the "moderate slayer." We'll love every minute of it.

"Moderate slayer"?  Try old bumbling fool who should be retired slayer. 

You guys wouldn't have been saying that if it was Toomey vs. Specter. 

[TeePee4Prez]

Good thing he wasn't a far right wing ideologue to begin with... 

As I've said, Sestak now gets to be the "moderate slayer." We'll love every minute of it.

"Moderate slayer"?  Try old bumbling fool who should be retired slayer. 

You guys wouldn't have been saying that if it was Toomey vs. Specter. 

But of course:

[Keystone Phil]

....endorsed Toomey.





I bet some of you got really excited for some reason after reading that title.    I wonder if the moderates/Dent lovers will go nuts on him for this.

Then again, I think Dent endorsed Toomey in 2004. He did it for political reasons, of course, since Toomey endorsed Dent in his three way primary. If he hadn't and if two conservatives didn't run, we wouldn't be talking about a Congressman Dent right now.

[Lunar]

He's endorsing Toomey over Luksik?  He's endorsing the de-facto nominee?

[Keystone Phil]

He's endorsing Toomey over Luksik?  He's endorsing the de-facto nominee?

It's basically means, "Ok, no one else (Gerlach) is running."

[Keystone Phil]

http://blog.pennlive.com/politics/2009/05/dent_endorses_toomey_as_strong.html

[Lunar]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/specter-were-close-to-a-compromise-on-efca.php

Like I said, the best thing for Specter would be for the bill to be basically renamed.

[Landslide Lyndon]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0509/Torsella_dropping_out_of_Pa_Senate_race.html

[TeePee4Prez]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/specter-were-close-to-a-compromise-on-efca.php

Like I said, the best thing for Specter would be for the bill to be basically renamed.

My signature stands.  I'm tired of political grandstanding and people who have been in office forever.  Arlen will have my support against Pat Toomey in a general.  That's as far as it will go and even still I'll say Pat Toomey is more consistent and principled. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

....endorsed Toomey.





I bet some of you got really excited for some reason after reading that title.    I wonder if the moderates/Dent lovers will go nuts on him for this.

Then again, I think Dent endorsed Toomey in 2004. He did it for political reasons, of course, since Toomey endorsed Dent in his three way primary. If he hadn't and if two conservatives didn't run, we wouldn't be talking about a Congressman Dent right now.

OMG!!!!! Toomey endorsed a moderate for a House seat but thats impossible this is the SOB who went around primarying moderates with Right wingers unsuitable for there district and he headed the Club for Growth who nearly primaried Lincoln Chafee and thus cost us the senate b/c Chafee would have been elected otherwise. Toomey is an extremist Nazis!!!!.


For those of you who are smart only on days that don't end in the Y this post is entirely satire and doesn't in anyway reflect the views of the poster

[Keystone Phil]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0509/Torsella_dropping_out_of_Pa_Senate_race.html

Yeah, not surprising.

[TeePee4Prez]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0509/Torsella_dropping_out_of_Pa_Senate_race.html

Yeah, not surprising.

I think Sestak's the better person.  Glad he did it.

Please take Arlen back.  Pretty please!   I really think that him as a Republican would be better for us.  You know he'd trigger a CP candidacy.  I think Arlen switching to the Democrats will help the GOP in a strange way. 

[Keystone Phil]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0509/Torsella_dropping_out_of_Pa_Senate_race.html

Yeah, not surprising.

I think Sestak's the better person.  Glad he did it.

Agreed

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Nope

Your problem now.

 

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Agreed

[Lunar]

I really like how Torsella justifies dropping out (whether or not he believes it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqMejbpxgxg


He's basically saying that he'd be forced to run a negative campaign against Specter instead of a positive one about himself.

[TeePee4Prez]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0509/Torsella_dropping_out_of_Pa_Senate_race.html

Yeah, not surprising.

I think Sestak's the better person.  Glad he did it.

Agreed

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Nope

Your problem now.

 

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Agreed

I'll give it to you Phil.  Arlen is just that, a problem.  You said it all along and I didn't believe you until now.  Funny a lot of older people like him though and say things like "he really gets things done for PA, brings home the bacon, etc."  I would hate to see PA send some impotent dinosaur like Strom Thurmond or Robert Byrd who look embarassing to their respective states to the US Senate and you think they should have retired to spend time with the grandkids.

[Frodo]

I haven't exactly been known as a consistent Democrat, but even I would vote against Arlen Specter in a Democratic primary.  I despise him not because of what he did (like I said, I am not exactly a paragon of Democratic orthodoxy myself), but for why he did it.  Whether its switching parties, or changing positions on various key issues (i.e. the EFCA) for political advantage, Arlen is far too brazen about his political ambitions to warrant my support. 

As such, I will endorse whoever beats him in the primary.   

[Lunar]

Nate finally makes a non-ignorant blog post about PA, mostly because it keeps PA politics as an abstract entity:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/arlen-specter-now-67-democrat.html

Arlen will never vote as a "normal Democrat from his state might" though, that's a pretty ridic conclusion, and clearly something that he promised the Democratic leadership he would not do, if anything.  He wishes to remain symbolically independent in order to justify his party switch.

Procedurally though, that's something else.

[HAnnA MArin County]

Okay first of all, wow. 61 pages of posts devoted to this one U.S. Senate seat in Pennsylvania. Is it really that important? I predict it will have well over 1,000 pages by November 2, 2010 (Election Day).

You can't really blame Arlen for leaving the Republican Party. I think he did so for personal politically ambitious reasons after seeing that he would never beat Pat Toomey in the GOP primary. That notwithstanding, I do agree with him. The Republican Party has become so polarized that you have to be a conservative to be in the party. Moderates are almost all but gone in the party (save for the Sisters of Maine and the three GOP governors in New England, as well as Charlie Crist and the Governator). The Party of No has quickly become the party of exclusion.

As much as I respect Arlen for his views on the social issues and sympathize with and pray for him for his cancer, we need to have a REAL Democrat working alongside Bob Casey Jr. in the U.S. Senate. Arlen's already said that he's not going to be a rank-and-file Democrat, which if you ask me basically means he is going to vote the same way he did as a Republican, only thing that's changed is that he now has a D after his name as opposed to an R.

If I lived in Pennsylvania and were voting, I'd vote for Joe Sestak or Allyson Schwartz should she enter the race over Arlen.

And the fact that Obama, Biden and Rendell have all lined up behind Arlen is a little upsetting if you ask me. The people of Pennsylvania should and will get to decide who their senator is, not the other way around.

[Marokai Backbeat]

You can't really blame Arlen for leaving the Republican Party. I think he did so for personal politically ambitious reasons after seeing that he would never beat Pat Toomey in the GOP primary. That notwithstanding, I do agree with him. The Republican Party has become so polarized that you have to be a conservative to be in the party. Moderates are almost all but gone in the party (save for the Sisters of Maine and the three GOP governors in New England, as well as Charlie Crist and the Governator). The Party of No has quickly become the party of exclusion.

I completely agree with you, but please remember who the author of this thread is when you post things like that in the future.

[Frodo]

Okay first of all, wow. 61 pages of posts devoted to this one U.S. Senate seat in Pennsylvania. Is it really that important?

That's nothing -you really need to check out the PA 13 thread. 

[Keystone Phil]

You can't really blame Arlen for leaving the Republican Party. I think he did so for personal politically ambitious reasons after seeing that he would never beat Pat Toomey in the GOP primary. That notwithstanding, I do agree with him. The Republican Party has become so polarized that you have to be a conservative to be in the party. Moderates are almost all but gone in the party (save for the Sisters of Maine and the three GOP governors in New England, as well as Charlie Crist and the Governator). The Party of No has quickly become the party of exclusion.

I completely agree with you, but please remember who the author of this thread is when you post things like that in the future.

More trolling. Pathetic.

And, yes, this race is that important. It's a very interesting race (on both sides) between giants and it's a race in a major swing state.

[Marokai Backbeat]

More trolling. Pathetic.

k thnx

[Keystone Phil]

More trolling. Pathetic.

k thnx

Your life must really suck, kid. 

[Lunar]

Prediction: Steele will side with the Democrats on their OLC chief, Dawn Johnsen's cloture vote.

What's his opposition to her anyway? The only reason the Republicans are against her is because of her work with NARAL... and Specter is pro-choice.  Specter's spokesmen is playing coy about the cloture motion.

Second Prediction:  If Steele casts the critical key vote AGAINST Johnsen, Sestak will be guaranteed to run against him.  If Specter can't side with the Democrats on procedural motions that nobody cares about except the leadership, he's worse than useless.  The fact that he's playing coy at all is good news for Sestak.