16 illegals sue Arizona rancher

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What the funk?  How do these people think they have more rights than I (an American citizen) would in the same situation?  This kind of thing makes no sense to me.  What kind of judge would accept this case?

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US District Judge John Roll is an asshole for wasting everybody's time.

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Mr Barnett is a FF.  The Fed's, the lawyers and the illegals are douchebags.

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He might have been slightly over the top, in my opinion, but this lawsuit clearly needs to be thrown out.

He's been putting up with it for 10 years.  10 years of broken fences.  10 years of dirty diapers and armed drug mules.  If he shot these people I'd understand.  I wouldn't agree with it, but I'd understand.

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You'd think the mules (often rapists) would learn to avoid the ranch if he was that big of a headache to them as they broke the law.

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You realize we can't let everybody in that wants in right?

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Well a lot actually, but that doesn't give them the "right" to be on some dude's property that doesn't want them there.

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Am I the only one to think that pointing a gun at someone is a crime ? No matter how much Mr Barnett loves his property, he should find another way to "defend" it.
The suit is fully justified.

How should he protect his property?

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Look, it's great that you feel pointing a gun at somebody doing something illegal is wrong, but until you come up with a way for this guy to defend his property that makes you happy and is effective, you're just pissing into the wind.

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Have you came up with an effective way to help this rancher out and at the same time make it so these poor people never have to have a gun pointed at them again?

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See, he's tried that.  It doesn't work.  They still litter his property with trash and human poop, breaking into his home and killing his livestock.  He's been doing this since 1998.  He even put a convenient faucet on a water tank of his so they'd stop breaking it trying to get to the water, still they trash his land.

What is he to do?  And why is the onus on him anyway, he isn't the one initiating these activities.  Shouldn't the onus be on the ones breaking the law initially?  I know it's hard to see the land owning white guy with a gun as a victim so he simply must be guilty of something, but come on, you can see past these prejudices if you try hard enough.

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I know it's complicated, if it wasn't complicated we wouldn't even know about it.  But we're still left with what should the land owning white guy do?  The govt isn't helping him.  The people breaking the law and ruining his sh**t ain't helping him.  Being sued by well funded lawyers isn't helping him (nor does it help past, current or future illegals).  You telling him he shouldn't hold a gun on them isn't helping him.  What is he to do?  You might not like his actions, but if you (or anybody else) can't come up with something better for him to do then your bitching about his actions don't really hold much water.  (and neither does his water tank because some illegals just broke it again)

..and your last sentence is kind of funny.  I'm assuming the illegals know what they are doing is illegal (why else would they be crossing in the middle of the desert) so I'm guessing they know they ain't "in the right".

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I hope you're not saying he should be immune for anything he does to people who broke the
law initially(and I am glad the jury didn't think so either(unfortunately some people think that way(sometimes only when it involves illegal immigrants))).

I'm not saying that at all, I know others did.  No, he can't do anything he wants to them.  Yes, they still have rights, just not very many.  In the same you or I wouldn't have very many if we were doing the exact same thing.  He (the rancher) does have a right to protect his property.

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You going to keep it a secret?  If you've got an answer to this problem I'm sure everybody would like to hear it.  (and if it's selling his land, you better have a buyer in mind or you're still just pissing in the wind)

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I agree 100%.  If we need more labor (which I don't understand what with unemployment rates as they are) we should let as many temporary workers in as we need.