The problem with many Ron Paul supporters

[Verily]

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Hi Strawman, Meet SPC.

Where did I say such things?

Well, you say that many Ron Paul supporters support an anti-human ideology. Since many Ron Paul supporters are libertarians, I assumed you were referring to libertarianism, an ideology that supports consistantly respecting life, liberty, and property, as anti-human. Therefore, the implication is that some ideology that doesn't respect life, liberty, or property is humanitarian.

However, if you were referring to some other ideology common among Ron Paul supporters, I apologize.

The idea that libertarianism in any way promotes life, liberty or property is frankly absurd and is why no one takes you (plural) seriously.

[Verily]

Yeah, I'm really curious how he came up with that line.  If anything libertarians are TOO into promoting life, liberty and property...to the detriment of everything else.  That's usually how the argument goes against us at least.  This one is weird.  It's like saying"the idea that Catholics in any way promote Jesus, Christianity or loving your neighbor is frankly absurd and is why nobody takes them seriously".

Maybe Verily is confusing libertarians with Socialists again?

Again? I'm curious about when I've done it before.

In any case, your Catholic analogy is problematic. "Jesus" and "Christianity" are not things which can be promoted in the same sense as "life" or "liberty". A better analogy would to say, "The idea that the Catholics in any way promote love, caring and community is frankly absurd."

That the rhetoric of an ideology uses certain words doesn't say anything about its practical promotion of those ends. Libertarianism claims to promote life, liberty and property, but the reality of its claims reduces the level to which individual humans have rights of life, liberty and property. Similarly, Catholicism might talk about love, caring and community but actually act counter to them. (Note that I'm not trying to make an argument against Catholicism here, just keeping with the metaphor. Take it for granted that Catholicism reduces love, caring and community. Or replace Catholicism with something like Soviet communism, which acted obviously counter to its claim to provide for the welfare of the people.)

[Verily]

That the rhetoric of an ideology uses certain words doesn't say anything about its practical promotion of those ends. Libertarianism claims to promote life, liberty and property, but the reality of its claims reduces the level to which individual humans have rights of life, liberty and property.

Exlpain how.

Among other things, libertarianism (as opposed to simple rightism or social liberalism) wants to completely eliminate all regulation and oversight of, generally speaking, human activities. This maintains a remarkably sunny optimism with regards to the human tendency for abuse of power. Libertarianism offers no protection against abuse by those already in power, nor does it really find such abuse to be a problem. Rather, it argues that the free market and social pressure will wish away faults in human character. This extreme naivete (or, in some cases, such as those who few would benefit in such a system, self-interest) means that certain humans are free to control in a far greater manner than any current person or organization does so the lives of other humans, thus reducing humans' rights to life, liberty and property due to the world of thuggery to which libertarianism inevitably leads.

(Hopefully you will forgive me for the low quality of a hastily written response. I'm also still waiting for an explanation of the last time I confused socialism and libertarianism.)