The problem with many Ron Paul supporters

[dead0man]

They refuse to admit his faults, and criticize those who bring them up: http://conservativehq.com/blog_post/show/136

Which is different than your typical W and Obama supporters in what way?

[dead0man]

Some would.  Are you trying to say Obama fan boys are rational?  You've never seen a W fundie (not many left) go ape sh**t defending W?  There are no blogs out there about Obama full of people acting the same way as these jackasses for Ron Paul?

[dead0man]

Some would.  Are you trying to say Obama fan boys are rational?  You've never seen a W fundie (not many left) go ape sh**t defending W?  There are no blogs out there about Obama full of people acting the same way as these jackasses for Ron Paul?

Paul supporters are by and large the worst in this respect. The cult of personality surrounding him is, proportionally speaking, much greater than the one surrounding Obama, Reagan, or any other politician in recent memory.

This is in no way a reflection of Ron Paul, or libertarians as a whole... simply a number of Ron Paul supporters.

Oh, I know.  You never saw me with a Ron Paul sig or heavily pimping the guy have you?  I like him alright, but yes, his fans are nuts.  It's why I don't associate with them, I don't want people think I'm nuts too (errrr...more nuts).  And I'll agree that the average Ron Paul fanatic is a bit nuttier about him than your average Obama fanatic is about Obama.  They have a much bigger hill to climb.  Plus they are all stoned gun owners, do we really want to anger them?

But this attitude isn't exclusive to Dr Paul's supporters, they're just better at it.

[dead0man]

I think W supporters could admit his faults.

Well sure, now they can.  He was a hero to the magnetic yellow ribbon crowd for awhile there.

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Paul may not be new to politics, but he didn't make many mainstream waves until this past election cycle.  I agree with the gist of what you're saying though.

[dead0man]

Aye.  He's just not a very good poster boy.  We need Bruce Willis!

[dead0man]

Be careful, your ignorance is showing.

[dead0man]

Yeah, I'm really curious how he came up with that line.  If anything libertarians are TOO into promoting life, liberty and property...to the detriment of everything else.  That's usually how the argument goes against us at least.  This one is weird.  It's like saying"the idea that Catholics in any way promote Jesus, Christianity or loving your neighbor is frankly absurd and is why nobody takes them seriously".

Maybe Verily is confusing libertarians with Socialists again?

[dead0man]

That the rhetoric of an ideology uses certain words doesn't say anything about its practical promotion of those ends. Libertarianism claims to promote life, liberty and property, but the reality of its claims reduces the level to which individual humans have rights of life, liberty and property.

Exlpain how.

[dead0man]

Among other things, libertarianism (as opposed to simple rightism or social liberalism) wants to completely eliminate all regulation and oversight of, generally speaking, human activities.

Totally false.  Do you want govt regulation of EVERYTHING?  Of course not and it would be insulting if I constantly insinuated that you did in our communications.  Some things need to be regulated, it makes life easier on everybody if we all (well at least most of us) agree that USB is a great little universal connection.  It would suck if everybody that made machinery used different sized nuts and bolts.  Imagine the carnage that could ensue if every house used a different frequency of Alternating Current in their wires.  None of these standards came about due to govt regulation, they all came from private business getting together to make life easier for everybody (consumer, manufacturer, seller, repairer).  Even still, I can see a place for govt regulation of some things.  Sometimes it's just easier/safer for everybody involved.  Most libertairans want LESS govt regulation, not NONE.

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Totally false.  Why are people so freaking ignorant about this point?  A world with out police and courts isn't a libertarian dream land, that is called ANARCHY.  Libertarians (little l) want police and the judicial system.  If you abuse somebody in a libertarian society you will go to jail (or otherwise penalized), not get away with it because you have a bigger gun.  I expect this kind of sh**t from some people, Verily, I thought you were better than that.

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Except it doesn't.  You, just like everybody else, seems to think libertarianism and anarchy are the same thing.  They are not.

[dead0man]

If you are wondering why everyone is arguing against you, it is because liberitarianism is essentially reverting back to humans being uncivilized animals, with no commanding authority except for those who are well off.

Totally false.  That is anarchy and is not what libertarians want.

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Why do people keep getting this confused.  Is this like when people confuse socialism and communism?