Middle East Peace Act of 2009 (On the President's Desk)

[SPC]

Here's an amendment, offered as friendly:

Section 1 All aid to the nation of Israel shall be suspended until the withdrawal of all Israeli military from West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Section 2 If the nation of Israel withdraws from West bank and Gaza Strip, aid to the nation shall be recontinued if a majority of the Atlasian Senate approves.

I'd support that if combined with the elimination of Sections 3, 4 and 5 of the original bill.

I thought that was assumed. Anyway, I could add a Section 3 to suspend all aid to the Palestinian Authority so long as violence is commited against Israelis.

[MasterJedi]

Here's an amendment, offered as friendly:

Section 1 All aid to the nation of Israel shall be suspended until the withdrawal of all Israeli military from West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Section 2 If the nation of Israel withdraws from West bank and Gaza Strip, aid to the nation shall be recontinued if a majority of the Atlasian Senate approves.

I'd support that if combined with the elimination of Sections 3, 4 and 5 of the original bill.

I thought that was assumed. Anyway, I could add a Section 3 to suspend all aid to the Palestinian Authority so long as violence is commited against Israelis.

That would be more acceptable since why should we only punish one side in the conflict?

[DownWithTheLeft]

I accept SPC's amendment as friendly.  I think the action is fair and appropriate and certainly a well thought of compromise.

If this bill passes I would like to offer it up as a toast to this senate being one of compromise of getting things done.  I really appreciate the efforts to compromise on this bill rather than allowing a few senators sharp boos to overshadow what needs to be done.  I always applaud taking action over pointless statements.

[Franzl]

I accept SPC's amendment as friendly.  I think the action is fair and appropriate and certainly a well thought of compromise.

If this bill passes I would like to offer it up as a toast to this senate being one of compromise of getting things done.  I really appreciate the efforts to compromise on this bill rather than allowing a few senators sharp boos to overshadow what needs to be done.  I always applaud taking action over pointless statements.

I agree that action is necessary, and I believe that requiring a withdrawl of troops is a necessary demand in order to continue funding.

I do, however, believe Smid has a point that it would not be all that motivating if Israel is told that the funding will only continue if the Atlasian Senate will approve of it after they withdraw all their troops.

Therefore, I must humbly suggest that the amendment be changed to:

Section 1 All aid to the nation of Israel shall be suspended until the withdrawal of all Israeli military from West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Section 2 If the nation of Israel withdraws from West bank and Gaza Strip, aid to the nation shall be recontinued if a majority of the Atlasian Senate approves.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There's a fairly noxious part of this that I'm surprised that no one's noticed yet.

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[Associate Justice PiT]

     I oppose the second section of SPC's amendment, though something is better than nothing in this regard.

[Lief 🗽]

Israel doesn't currently have soldiers in Gaza, as of January 21st: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7841902.stm I have no idea what the Israeli military presence in the West Bank is.

Also, a military withdrawal is pointless without the end of the naval and land blockade of Gaza by Israel.

[HappyWarrior]

So DWTL are there any alterations you'd like to make to this bill?  I would like to bring it up to a vote ASAP.

[Lief 🗽]

Franzl has an amendment currently on the floor, I think.

[HappyWarrior]

Alright I had'nt even noticed Franzl's amendment, how about a vote on it?

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AYE

[Franzl]

Aye

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Nay.

[RI]

Abstain.

[Bacon King]

abstain

[MasterJedi]

I'm confused, do you mean SPC's amendment because I can't find one by Franzl, though maybe I'm just not seeing it....

[HappyWarrior]

I accept SPC's amendment as friendly.  I think the action is fair and appropriate and certainly a well thought of compromise.

If this bill passes I would like to offer it up as a toast to this senate being one of compromise of getting things done.  I really appreciate the efforts to compromise on this bill rather than allowing a few senators sharp boos to overshadow what needs to be done.  I always applaud taking action over pointless statements.

I agree that action is necessary, and I believe that requiring a withdrawl of troops is a necessary demand in order to continue funding.

I do, however, believe Smid has a point that it would not be all that motivating if Israel is told that the funding will only continue if the Atlasian Senate will approve of it after they withdraw all their troops.

Therefore, I must humbly suggest that the amendment be changed to:

Section 1 All aid to the nation of Israel shall be suspended until the withdrawal of all Israeli military from West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Section 2 If the nation of Israel withdraws from West bank and Gaza Strip, aid to the nation shall be recontinued if a majority of the Atlasian Senate approves.

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[MasterJedi]

I accept SPC's amendment as friendly.  I think the action is fair and appropriate and certainly a well thought of compromise.

If this bill passes I would like to offer it up as a toast to this senate being one of compromise of getting things done.  I really appreciate the efforts to compromise on this bill rather than allowing a few senators sharp boos to overshadow what needs to be done.  I always applaud taking action over pointless statements.

I agree that action is necessary, and I believe that requiring a withdrawl of troops is a necessary demand in order to continue funding.

I do, however, believe Smid has a point that it would not be all that motivating if Israel is told that the funding will only continue if the Atlasian Senate will approve of it after they withdraw all their troops.

Therefore, I must humbly suggest that the amendment be changed to:

Section 1 All aid to the nation of Israel shall be suspended until the withdrawal of all Israeli military from West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Section 2 If the nation of Israel withdraws from West bank and Gaza Strip, aid to the nation shall be recontinued if a majority of the Atlasian Senate approves.

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Whoops, missed that.

I vote Nay. I won't vote for anything that cuts off aid to Israel anyway but until we get an amendment that cuts off aid to Israel and the Palestineans I won't support anything else. Fair is fair.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, I too support cutting off aide to both sides

[Lief 🗽]

Aye, I suppose. I plan to vote against this, but without Franzl's amendment, Israel won't have any incentive to follow through with our blackmail and so the bill won't even do anything.

[SPC]

Nay

[Hash]

As SoEA, I thought I'd peek my nose into your business.

The SoEA personally agrees with Senator MasterJedi that it would only be fair to cut off aid to both sides, if that's what the Senate wants.

I also recommend changing the name of this, to look, you know, a bit more objective.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Amendment to replace the bill with the following text:

Section 1
a.) All aid to the nation of Israel shall be suspended until the withdrawal of all Israeli military from West Bank and Gaza Strip
b.) Israel must also recognize Palestine as independent nation
c.) If the nation of Israel withdraws from West bank and Gaza Strip, aid to the nation shall be recontinued

Section 2
a.) All aide shall be suspended to the Palestinian state until all attacks are stopped against Israelis and the Palestinian government recognizes Israel's right to exist
b.) Aide shall be restored if the Palestinian government meets said requirements

[Lief 🗽]

Israel has already withdrawn from Gaza. There are something like 300,000 or so (don't remember the number, but it's about that, give or take a 100,000) Israelis currently living in the West Bank territory. What happens to them?

[SPC]

Israel has already withdrawn from Gaza. There are something like 300,000 or so (don't remember the number, but it's about that, give or take a 100,000) Israelis currently living in the West Bank territory. What happens to them?

Well, since most of that land was stolen from their original occupants, that should be transfered back to their original owners, if possible.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A voice from the gallery: once again, note "nation of Israel". I mean, seriously Senators. You can't seriously be this blind (of course, the dolt can't even spell "aid" so maybe it slightly more innocent than it looks). And someone should also remind you all that there is no one, single Palestinian government these days...