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Question: should minors be allowed to smoke/possess tobacco?  [remember, not purchase tobacco, but rather, simply possess and use]
yes   -17 (51.5%)
no   -16 (48.5%)
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« on: March 27, 2009, 12:19:29 am »
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what difference does this difference in age make?
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 12:22:03 am »
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Sure, if they like inhaling smoke.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 12:57:30 am »
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They should be able to buy it too.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 01:02:39 am »
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There's no conceivable way for the state to punish it, but adults who provide it should be punished.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 01:39:03 am »
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Of course not.  Dip is the one of the most disgusting things in the world.  In fact, in my top 10 list of the least desirable things a girl can do, dip topped out at #1.  Let's spare the gums of people not mature enough not to know not to do it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 02:00:56 am »

Of course not.  Dip is the one of the most disgusting things in the world.  In fact, in my top 10 list of the least desirable things a girl can do, dip topped out at #1.  Let's spare the gums of people not mature enough not to know not to do it.

I think thick mascara and chocolate yogurt are disgusting and unattractive too, but I'm not going to ban them
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2009, 02:17:58 am »
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They do anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2009, 02:18:12 am »
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2009, 06:44:42 am »
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No.

Agreed.

However, nothing should be done to enforce it, in my opinion. Just wastes resources.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2009, 09:45:00 am »
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2009, 10:12:49 am »
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Absolutely.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2009, 02:09:13 pm »
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can some of the 'no' people enlighten me as to how this could/should be enforced?
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2009, 02:23:13 pm »
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can some of the 'no' people enlighten me as to how this could/should be enforced?

In the future "seven years from now," America has lost the war on drugs. A highly addictive and debilitating illegal drug called Substance D, made from a small blue flower, has swept across the country. In response, the government develops an invasive, high-tech surveillance system and puts in place a network of informants and undercover agents.
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2009, 02:26:07 pm »

No.

Agreed.

However, nothing should be done to enforce it, in my opinion. Just wastes resources.
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 02:27:29 pm »

can some of the 'no' people enlighten me as to how this could/should be enforced?

No.

Agreed.

However, nothing should be done to enforce it, in my opinion. Just wastes resources.
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2009, 02:28:58 pm »
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can some of the 'no' people enlighten me as to how this could/should be enforced?

No.

Agreed.

However, nothing should be done to enforce it, in my opinion. Just wastes resources.

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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2009, 02:34:35 pm »
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No.

Agreed.

However, nothing should be done to enforce it, in my opinion. Just wastes resources.

Isn't that just a de facto yes then? It doesn't make sense to say "no" but then say it is not to be enforced--that is a contradiction.
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2009, 02:49:36 pm »

No.

Agreed.

However, nothing should be done to enforce it, in my opinion. Just wastes resources.

Isn't that just a de facto yes then? It doesn't make sense to say "no" but then say it is not to be enforced--that is a contradiction.

Some contradictions prove useful. Gray can be a beautiful color. Sometimes, the existence of a law makes a statement as to society's attitude (and it will affect the market place), and even if enforcement resources are directed elsewhere, the statement can stand on its own.
Should we repeal anti littering laws even if there were minimal enforcement of them?  I don't think so.

I used to think the gray way about pot. Sure, for many folks it is fine, but do we really want to legalize it, and have it sold over the counter?  Keeping it illegal, while minimizing enforcement, appealed to me, even as a stoner. Laws cannot be all about oneself. Now, based on more information, I actually do want to legalize pot, so that analogy ceases to be of so much use to me. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2009, 03:14:20 pm »
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Yes but I don't really care in any case, and smoking should be banned in public places anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2009, 11:15:27 am »
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can some of the 'no' people enlighten me as to how this could/should be enforced?

In the future "seven years from now," America has lost the war on drugs. A highly addictive and debilitating illegal drug called Substance D, made from a small blue flower, has swept across the country. In response, the government develops an invasive, high-tech surveillance system and puts in place a network of informants and undercover agents.
Loved that movie.

Anyway, just focus on the purchasing aspect. It's really not that hard to bust shop keepers for selling it to high school kids (or adults purchasing it for them). Treat it the same way as alcohol, basically.
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2009, 02:39:03 am »
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Of course not.  Dip is the one of the most disgusting things in the world.  In fact, in my top 10 list of the least desirable things a girl can do, dip topped out at #1.  Let's spare the gums of people not mature enough not to know not to do it.

I think thick mascara and chocolate yogurt are disgusting and unattractive too, but I'm not going to ban them
If mascara is found to cause cancer, then yes, let's ban it for under 18's.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2009, 02:46:04 am »
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I used to think the gray way about pot. Sure, for many folks it is fine, but do we really want to legalize it, and have it sold over the counter?  Keeping it illegal, while minimizing enforcement, appealed to me, even as a stoner.

A stoner finding the option with the least amount of effort appealing?  Unpossible.
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2009, 11:50:34 am »
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Of course not.  Dip is the one of the most disgusting things in the world.  In fact, in my top 10 list of the least desirable things a girl can do, dip topped out at #1.  Let's spare the gums of people not mature enough not to know not to do it.

I think thick mascara and chocolate yogurt are disgusting and unattractive too, but I'm not going to ban them
If mascara is found to cause cancer, then yes, let's ban it for under 18's.

soap, deodorant, hair spray, Johnson's Baby Shampoo, talcum powder, and hot dogs all contain carcinogens.  should their consumption by under 18s be banned?
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2009, 01:14:37 pm »
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soap, deodorant, hair spray, Johnson's Baby Shampoo, talcum powder, and hot dogs all contain carcinogens.  should their consumption by under 18s be banned?
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Even assuming that smoking was no worse in terms of cancer risks (obviously not true) there's still heart disease, emphysema, brain damage, premature skin aging, etc. associated with prolonged use. I'd rather not pay for the costs of that because some 12-18 year old kid decided to puff up outside of class.
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2009, 01:15:47 pm »
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soap, deodorant, hair spray, Johnson's Baby Shampoo, talcum powder, and hot dogs all contain carcinogens.  should their consumption by under 18s be banned?
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Even assuming that smoking was no worse in terms of cancer risks (obviously not true) there's still heart disease, emphysema, brain damage, premature skin aging, etc. associated with prolonged use. I'd rather not pay for the costs of that because some 12-18 year old kid decided to puff up outside of class.

it was Harry who set up a carcinogen litmus test, not I.
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itís hard enough to be eighteen
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itís hard enough to be alone, with the person you are not becoming

itís hard enough to be alone, itís hard enough to be together
itís hard enough to be alone
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