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« Reply #375 on: May 15, 2009, 06:50:05 pm »
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The President has enough power. He makes appointments and can dissolve a branch of parliament. The point is that the GM is a position that should not be left to the decision of one man. The office is subject to abuse and inactivity that requires some method to undo.
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« Reply #376 on: May 15, 2009, 06:52:55 pm »
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Elections would typically be the method, I would imagine. Especially since they're likely to happen more often under a parliamentary model.
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« Reply #377 on: May 15, 2009, 08:31:32 pm »
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The President has enough power. He makes appointments and can dissolve a branch of parliament. The point is that the GM is a position that should not be left to the decision of one man. The office is subject to abuse and inactivity that requires some method to undo.

Just a question. Did you remove my section of Article III dealing with Presidential powers?
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« Reply #378 on: May 16, 2009, 08:16:59 pm »
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The President has enough power. He makes appointments and can dissolve a branch of parliament. The point is that the GM is a position that should not be left to the decision of one man. The office is subject to abuse and inactivity that requires some method to undo.

Just a question. Did you remove my section of Article III dealing with Presidential powers?

I removed the Cabinet (as it is now the PMs), the State of the Forum address (that has never been practiced in my experience), and all references to the VP.
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« Reply #379 on: May 16, 2009, 10:05:07 pm »
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The President has enough power. He makes appointments and can dissolve a branch of parliament. The point is that the GM is a position that should not be left to the decision of one man. The office is subject to abuse and inactivity that requires some method to undo.

Just a question. Did you remove my section of Article III dealing with Presidential powers?

I removed the Cabinet (as it is now the PMs), the State of the Forum address (that has never been practiced in my experience), and all references to the VP.

I was referring to the Section 3 of my proposed article on the President which is now on the floor.
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« Reply #380 on: May 16, 2009, 10:20:09 pm »
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The President has enough power. He makes appointments and can dissolve a branch of parliament. The point is that the GM is a position that should not be left to the decision of one man. The office is subject to abuse and inactivity that requires some method to undo.

Just a question. Did you remove my section of Article III dealing with Presidential powers?

I removed the Cabinet (as it is now the PMs), the State of the Forum address (that has never been practiced in my experience), and all references to the VP.

I was referring to the Section 3 of my proposed article on the President which is now on the floor.

I hadn't referred to it, but I can throw it in. Some of it seems extraneous to Atlasia.

What does everyone think of Hashemite's list of presidential powers?

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Section 3: Powers of the President (largely stolen from the Slovak Constitution)
1. The President shall represent Atlasia in international relations, negotiate and ratify international agreements; he can delegate the power to the Government or, with the consent of the Government, to individual members of the Government to negotiate those international agreements.
2. The President shall sign and veto laws. His veto may be overturned as described in Article 1, Section 3, Clause 2.
3. The President shall appoint justices to the Supreme Court, with the approve of the (LH/UH/both).
4. The President shall award decorations and honors, unless another authority has been delegated by him to do so.
5. The President shall grant pardons and amnesty, mitigate sentences imposed by criminal courts.
6. The President shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
7. The President shall declare a state of emergency by means of a constitutional statute;
8. The President shall announce referendums and Constitutional Conventions.
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« Reply #381 on: May 17, 2009, 08:03:52 pm »
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The list is good. The only problem is ''largely stolen from the Slovak Constitution''. We should remove it in the final version.
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« Reply #382 on: May 17, 2009, 08:15:44 pm »
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The list is good. The only problem is ''largely stolen from the Slovak Constitution''. We should remove it in the final version.

Obviously.
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« Reply #383 on: May 20, 2009, 10:12:42 am »
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I bring the following article on the presidency to the floor for a vote. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain. This shall last for 48 hours.

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Article III: The President of Atlasia
Section 1: The Presidency
1. The President of the Republic of Atlasia shall serve as the Head of State of Atlaisa and be elected for a term of approximately four months.
2. No person shall be President who has not attained 250 or more posts, and is not a registered voter.
3. The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Atlasia.
4. When vacancies shall occur on the Supreme Court, the President shall nominate a replacement with the advice and consent of the Senate.
5. The President shall nominate a neutral and active Game Moderator for the creation of world simulations in Atlasia. The GM shall be appointed with the advice and consent of the Senate. The President or the Senate, by a supermajority, shall have the ability to dismiss the GM for reasons of inactivity or gross partiality.
6. The President shall serve as the chair of any joint session of Congress, either formally distinguished in this Constitution or otherwise.
7. The President shall sign and veto laws. His veto may be overturned as described in Article 1, Section 3, Clause 4.
8. The President shall award decorations and honors, unless another authority has been delegated by him to do so.
9. The President shall grant pardons and amnesty, mitigate sentences imposed by criminal courts.
10. The President shall announce Constitutional Conventions with the approval of a joint session of Congress.

Section 2: Election to the Presidency
1. Presidential elections shall be held in the months of February, June and October. Elections shall be held from midnight Eastern Standard Time on the second to last Friday of a given month and shall conclude exactly 72 hours later.
2. The Senate shall have necessary power to determine regulations for the procedure of and the form of Presidential elections and shall have necessary power to determine a procedure for declaration of candidacy for such elections. All elections to the Presidency shall be by public post.
3. The President shall take office at noon Eastern Standard Time on the first Friday in the month after their election.

Section 3: Vacancy and Incapacity of the Presidency
1. If the Presidency shall ever fall vacant or temporarily incapacitated, the President shall have the option to recommend a successor for himself, by public post. If the Senate shall concur, by two-thirds vote, with the decision of the President, the successor shall serve the remainder of the President's term.
2. If the Senate does not concur, emergency elections shall be held on the second Friday following the vacancy of the office. The shall have necessary power to determine regulations for the procedure of and the form of Presidential elections and shall have necessary power to determine a procedure for declaration of candidacy for such elections.




I bring the following article on the judiciary to the floor for a vote. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain. This shall last for 48 hours.

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Article IV: The Supreme Court of Atlasia

Section 1: The Supreme Court
1. The judicial power of the Republic of Atlasia shall be vested in one Supreme Court.
2. The Supreme Court shall consist of three Justices who shall all be registered voters, one of whom shall be the Chief Justice. Justices shall hold their office during good behavior.
3. The Supreme Court shall be the sole body in the Forum with the authority to nullify or void federal laws. The Supreme Court shall only be able to nullify or void a federal law in the event that the federal law explicitly contradicts this Constitution.
4. The Supreme Court shall have authority to nullify or void regional laws. The Supreme Court shall only be able to nullify or void a regional law in the event that the regional law explicitly contradicts this Constitution.
5. The Supreme Court shall arbitrate in all disputes concerning federal elections.

Section 2: Trials
1. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the region wherein the crime shall have been committed, which region shall have been previously ascertained by law.
2. If a trial does not occur within one month of the accusation for any reason, no trial shall be held and the accused will be declared innocent of the crime.
3. No person shall be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.
4. No person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.
5. The accused shall be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
6. All trials shall be presided over by a Supreme Court Justice, who shall be selected by the Supreme Court itself.
7. A jury shall be selected according to the laws of the Region in which the crime was committed and each juror shall post their verdict publicly.
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« Reply #384 on: May 20, 2009, 10:23:50 am »
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AYE on both
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« Reply #385 on: May 20, 2009, 01:05:45 pm »
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Aye to both
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« Reply #386 on: May 20, 2009, 01:14:50 pm »
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Aye to both on reflection.
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« Reply #387 on: May 20, 2009, 01:23:15 pm »
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Presidency: Nay
Supreme Court: Aye
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« Reply #388 on: May 20, 2009, 02:53:59 pm »
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Article III: Aye
Article IV: Aye
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« Reply #389 on: May 20, 2009, 02:55:31 pm »
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Aye on both
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« Reply #390 on: May 20, 2009, 03:16:18 pm »
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     Aye on both.
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« Reply #391 on: May 20, 2009, 05:01:47 pm »
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« Reply #392 on: May 20, 2009, 06:34:43 pm »
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III: Nay
IV: Aye
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« Reply #393 on: May 20, 2009, 11:50:46 pm »
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III: Abstain
IV: Aye
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« Reply #394 on: May 21, 2009, 12:04:15 am »
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Aye. Aye.
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« Reply #395 on: May 21, 2009, 12:56:59 pm »
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« Reply #396 on: May 21, 2009, 01:01:42 pm »
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Aye on the Supreme Court.

Could people explain why they're voting nay on the President section?
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« Reply #397 on: May 21, 2009, 07:24:29 pm »
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President Current Vote Tally
Aye = 8
Nay = 3
Abstain = 1

Court Current Vote Tally
Aye = 13
Nay = 0

Quorum: Achieved
Time Remaining: ~15 hours
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« Reply #398 on: May 22, 2009, 01:28:44 pm »
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President Final Vote Tally
Aye = 8
Nay = 3
Abstain = 1

Court Final Vote Tally
Aye = 13
Nay = 0

Thank you to all those who voted, although I am disappointed by the growing number of delegates that seem to be drifting away from the Convention.
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« Reply #399 on: May 22, 2009, 02:27:35 pm »
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President Final Vote Tally
Aye = 8
Nay = 3
Abstain = 1

Court Final Vote Tally
Aye = 13
Nay = 0

Thank you to all those who voted, although I am disappointed by the growing number of delegates that seem to be drifting away from the Convention.

That is because this whole Convention is taking way to long.
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