Parliamentary Bicameralism (Discussion Open)

[Purple State]

President Final Vote Tally
Aye = 8
Nay = 3
Abstain = 1

Court Final Vote Tally
Aye = 13
Nay = 0

Thank you to all those who voted, although I am disappointed by the growing number of delegates that seem to be drifting away from the Convention.

That is because this whole Convention is taking way to long.

It should not be a walk in the park. The ease with which a delegate can shape the new Constitution should be enough to garner at least more than 13 votes. Regardless, we will trudge on.

We are up to the easier parts now for this proposal. Less authentic crafting, but stickier topics.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

President Final Vote Tally
Aye = 8
Nay = 3
Abstain = 1

Court Final Vote Tally
Aye = 13
Nay = 0

Thank you to all those who voted, although I am disappointed by the growing number of delegates that seem to be drifting away from the Convention.

That is because this whole Convention is taking way to long.

This is a Convention to draft a Constitution. In case you didn't know, that's a major task and it's not an easy thing to do.

[Devilman88]

President Final Vote Tally
Aye = 8
Nay = 3
Abstain = 1

Court Final Vote Tally
Aye = 13
Nay = 0

Thank you to all those who voted, although I am disappointed by the growing number of delegates that seem to be drifting away from the Convention.

That is because this whole Convention is taking way to long.

This is a Convention to draft a Constitution. In case you didn't know, that's a major task and it's not an easy thing to do.

I understand that, I should have said picking one of the three types of Goverments are taking a long time.

[President Marokai]

Aye on the Supreme Court.

Could people explain why they're voting nay on the President section?

Because it makes the Presidency an almost useless position in a parliamentary system if they have no unique-stand-alone powers that can't be overridden by parliament.

[Purple State]

Aye on the Supreme Court.

Could people explain why they're voting nay on the President section?

Because it makes the Presidency an almost useless position in a parliamentary system if they have no unique-stand-alone powers that can't be overridden by parliament.

The President can dissolve either branch without losing his office. That is plenty of power I think.

[Devilman88]

What is next?

[Purple State]

What is next?

Bill of rights, Constitutional amendments, Regions, Candidacy and office holding rules and Continuity of government.

The nuts and bolts.

[Devilman88]

What is next?

Bill of rights, Constitutional amendments, Regions, Candidacy and office holding rules and Continuity of government.

The nuts and bolts.

Do you want them in that order?

[Devilman88]

Article V: Bill of Rights
Same as Article VI

Article VI: (Don't know what to name it)

Section 1: Amendment Procedure
The Congress(Senate and House), whenever two-thirds of its number shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of this Constitution when ratified by a two-thirds of the People voting in public polls in two-thirds of the Regions. Such votes shall last for exactly one week and shall be administered by the Head of the Region or other officer as the Law of the Region may provide. Citizens will cast their vote by public post.

 Section 2: New Convention
Upon application of the citizens of a majority of the Regions, the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall call a Constitutional Convention to amend or replace this Constitution. The Convention shall be constituted under regulations determined by the Senate. Such amendments or the replacement proposed by the Convention shall become operative when ratified by two-thirds of the Convention and the citizens of two-thrids of the Regions, in a public poll administered by the Head of the Region or other officer as Regional Law may provide. All public polls mandated under this section shall be via public post and shall last for exactly one week.


Article VII: Regions

Section 1: Regional Government
1. The Regions may elect a Governor as chief executive officer, and may establish other executive posts as they wish, however no executive member may be elected for a term of more than six months.
2. A Region may establish a legislature for itself to make proper laws and electoral procedures.
3. A Region may establish a judiciary for itself; However, if they choose not to, the federal Supreme Court shall arbitrate in all election disputes, but only insofar as Regional Law may provide.
4. Regions are autonomous of the federal government and may govern themselves and their elections as they wish, except where otherwise provided for in this Constitution.

Section 2: Regional Boundaries
1. The Regions shall be draw up by the Senate of Atlasia and approved by the House of Atlasia.
2. The Senate may redraw the Regional Boundaries in the months of January and July without consent of the Regions, any other time consent is required by the region(s) being changed.
3. In the event that a new State joins the Republic of Atlasia, the Senate may apportion this State to a Region via proper legislation, however, the State shall still be liable to all the provisions of this Article.
 

Section 3: Supremacy Clause and Restriction on Federal Government
This Constitution and the Laws of the Republic of Atlasia which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every Region shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any Region to the contrary notwithstanding.
The powers not delegated to the Republic of Atlasia by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the Regions, are reserved to the Regions respectively, or to the people.

[Senator MaxQue]

It is me or the Clause 14 of the Bill of Rights give the right to vote to children?

[Devilman88]

It is me or the Clause 14 of the Bill of Rights give the right to vote to children?

Yes, because alot of the people are under the age of 18. Duh

[Senator MaxQue]

It is me or the Clause 14 of the Bill of Rights give the right to vote to children?

Yes, because alot of the people are under the age of 18. Duh

I assume than we play characters who are over 18.

[Devilman88]

It is me or the Clause 14 of the Bill of Rights give the right to vote to children?

Yes, because alot of the people are under the age of 18. Duh

I assume than we play characters who are over 18.

Most forum based government sims don't have age limits, because it really don't matter.

[Purple State]

I bring the three following articles to a vote. Please vote on each motion individually. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

Article V: Bill of Rights
Same as Article VI

Article VI: Alterations

Section 1: Amendment Procedure
The Senate and House, whenever two-thirds of their respective numbers shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of this Constitution when ratified by a two-thirds of the People voting in public polls. Such votes shall last for exactly one week and shall be administered by the Secretary of Forum Affairs or other officer as the Prime Minister may provide. Citizens will cast their vote by public post.

Section 2: New Convention
Upon application, the President, with the advice and consent of the joint session of Congress, shall call a Constitutional Convention to amend or replace this Constitution. The Convention shall be constituted under regulations determined by the Senate. Such amendments or the replacement proposed by the Convention shall become operative when ratified by two-thirds of the Convention and two-thirds of all citizens voting, in a public poll administered by the Secretary of Forum Affairs or other officer as the Prime Minister may provide. All public polls mandated under this section shall be via public post and shall last for exactly one week.

Article VII: Regions

Section 1: Regional Government
1. The Regions may elect a Governor as chief executive officer, and may establish other executive posts as they wish, however no executive member may be elected for a term of more than six months.
2. A Region may establish a legislature for itself to make proper laws and electoral procedures.
3. A Region may establish a judiciary for itself; However, if they choose not to, the federal Supreme Court shall arbitrate in all election disputes, but only insofar as Regional Law may provide.
4. Regions are autonomous of the federal government and may govern themselves and their elections as they wish, except where otherwise provided for in this Constitution.

Section 2: Regional Boundaries
1. The Regions shall be drawn up by the Senate and approved by the House.
2. The Senate may redraw the Regional Boundaries in the months of January and July without consent of the Regions, any other time consent is required by the region(s) being changed.
3. In the event that a new State joins the Republic of Atlasia, the Senate may apportion this State to a Region via proper legislation, however, the State shall still be liable to all the provisions of this Article.
 
Section 3: Supremacy Clause and Restriction on Federal Government
This Constitution and the Laws of the Republic of Atlasia which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every Region shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any Region to the contrary notwithstanding.
The powers not delegated to the Republic of Atlasia by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the Regions, are reserved to the Regions respectively, or to the people.

[Lіef]

Aye, Aye, Nay.

Regions should be abolished.

[Purple State]

Regions should be abolished.

I still don't understand what harm the regions do. At best they provide a training ground for new members. At worst? They are inactive and boring. You don't gain anything by their abolition.

[Devilman88]

Aye on all three.

[ilikeverin]

Yup
Yup
Nope

Regions should be abolished.

I still don't understand what harm the regions do. At best they provide a training ground for new members. At worst? They are inactive and boring. You don't gain anything by their abolition.

You eliminate dead weight.

[President Marokai]

Aye, Aye, Aye

I hope we make some edits later on an earlier article with some more restrictions on regional government powers though.

[Lіef]

Regions should be abolished.

I still don't understand what harm the regions do. At best they provide a training ground for new members. At worst? They are inactive and boring. You don't gain anything by their abolition.

I don't think it's a good idea to have an entire section of the game that is "inactive and boring."

[Purple State]

Regions should be abolished.

I still don't understand what harm the regions do. At best they provide a training ground for new members. At worst? They are inactive and boring. You don't gain anything by their abolition.

I don't think it's a good idea to have an entire section of the game that is "inactive and boring."

That is worst case. We clearly see that some regions are not inactive and provide a vibrant training ground for new recruits. Look at how the Mideast has continued (despite your grim warnings months ago) to pump out active users. I went from Assembly member to Senator and now Dan or Persepolis will join me on that same track.

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     Aye on all three

[Daniel Adams]

Aye, Aye, Aye.

[ilikeverin]

Regions should be abolished.

I still don't understand what harm the regions do. At best they provide a training ground for new members. At worst? They are inactive and boring. You don't gain anything by their abolition.

I don't think it's a good idea to have an entire section of the game that is "inactive and boring."

That is worst case. We clearly see that some regions are not inactive and provide a vibrant training ground for new recruits. Look at how the Mideast has continued (despite your grim warnings months ago) to pump out active users. I went from Assembly member to Senator and now Dan or Persepolis will join me on that same track.

And I continue to insist that you would have been active anyway, especially if we created compensatory positions to deal somewhat with the decrease in positions brought about by the abolition of regions.

[Smid]

Aye, Aye, Aye.