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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2009, 07:29:58 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2009, 07:45:26 AM »
We're still waiting on the last three votes.
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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2009, 08:00:41 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2009, 12:05:35 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2009, 06:17:31 AM »
Irrespective of the last vote....this has failed.

Let's keep the ball rolling Smiley
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« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2009, 07:25:12 AM »
As I've mentioned a couple of times now. This Bill cannot refer to Atlasian citizens as being "illegal immigrants." At the instant they swear the oath of citizenship and are naturalised, they cease to be illegal immigrants and become citizens instead. They cannot be both and the Bill should not refer to them as being such.
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« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2009, 07:28:45 AM »
Ok DWTL's amendment fails.  Now I would like to call for a vote on PS's which I will officially introduce(not sure if non-senators can):

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« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2009, 08:33:06 AM »
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« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2009, 09:43:06 AM »
« Edited: April 21, 2009, 10:42:30 AM by Smid »
Nay - Aye

I still have a problem with s1(2), but we can work through that with a future amendment.
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« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2009, 10:19:40 AM »
Quote from: Smid on April 21, 2009, 07:25:12 AM
As I've mentioned a couple of times now. This Bill cannot refer to Atlasian citizens as being "illegal immigrants." At the instant they swear the oath of citizenship and are naturalised, they cease to be illegal immigrants and become citizens instead. They cannot be both and the Bill should not refer to them as being such.

It doesn't refer to legal citizens as illegal immigrants. It states that illegal immigrants that became citizens because of the Illegal Immigrant Act will not have that citizenship revoked due to the repeal of the original legislation.
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« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2009, 10:41:21 AM »
Quote from: Mideast Assembly Speaker Purple State on April 21, 2009, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: Smid on April 21, 2009, 07:25:12 AM
As I've mentioned a couple of times now. This Bill cannot refer to Atlasian citizens as being "illegal immigrants." At the instant they swear the oath of citizenship and are naturalised, they cease to be illegal immigrants and become citizens instead. They cannot be both and the Bill should not refer to them as being such.

It doesn't refer to legal citizens as illegal immigrants. It states that illegal immigrants that became citizens because of the Illegal Immigrant Act will not have that citizenship revoked due to the repeal of the original legislation.

My specific problem is in this section of the wording - I'll bold it:

Quote from: Mideast Assembly Speaker Purple State on April 14, 2009, 02:56:19 PM
The Illegal Immigrant Act of 2009
Section 1: Replacement
1. F.L. 18-8 is hereby repealed
2. Any illegal immigrant granted citizenship under the Illegal Immigrant Act prior to passage of this bill shall continue to maintain citizen status.

Now, I realise you're not referring to citizens as currently being illegal immigrants, but I still am not comfortable referring to the process by which they were naturalised - to me it almost sounds like they're second-class citizens (sort of like, you have citizens, and then you have illegal immigrants who have become citizens). That's my problem with it, and I realise that you're not trying to say that and I recognise the intent of this section (and agree with the intent of the section and indeed the amendment) but I don't like the nuance in the wording because I think it can be misconstrued.

My main focus in the Senate has always been to try to improve legislation, rather than introduce new Bills. This is just something that I think could be improved by tweaking it slightly.

This is what I expressed earlier:

Quote from: Smid on April 14, 2009, 08:08:27 PM
Turning now to PurpleState's amendment, I have issue with s1(2) - the grandfathering clause. Specifically, my problem is that it refers to the means by which citizens came to be in Atlasia.

I would perhaps suggest re-wording it to be something more along the lines of:

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I still think that sounds a little awkward and could probably be improved, but as the amendment currently stands, it refers to some citizens as being having been "illegal immigrants." I would suggest that someone can't be both a citizen and an illegal immigrant, that they cease to be an illegal immigrant from the moment they take the oath of citizenship, and therefore the wording must be changed. Even changing the wording to "Any person granted citizenship" would be better.

I might actually change my vote to Aye, and then we can discuss a subsequent amendment to fix this problem, I'm fine with the Bill, it's just the language in that one section with which I have a problem.
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« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2009, 10:52:29 AM »
That's fine. Changing it to your language (or a slight variation of that) would probably make it clearer.
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« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2009, 11:08:29 AM »
Aye on the amendment.
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« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2009, 11:54:34 AM »
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« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2009, 12:51:42 PM »
I agree with you Smid and after the vote on the PS amendment is complete I hope you will introduce your amendment, then we can hopefully pass that and bring this to a final vote so that it can be finished before the 31st Senate begins.
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« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2009, 09:18:25 PM »
Aye.
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« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2009, 09:21:11 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2009, 10:45:53 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2009, 10:50:34 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2009, 05:39:24 PM »
The amendment passes, what's going on now?
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« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2009, 06:46:54 PM »
I move that- 

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« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2009, 09:30:36 PM »
On the Smid amendment:

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« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2009, 09:40:19 PM »
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« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2009, 09:42:31 PM »
Not sure if moving the Amendment actually counts as an Aye vote...

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« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2009, 10:22:23 PM »
Running out of time. Wink
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