Repeal of the Illegal Immigrant Act (Awaiting Presidential Signature/Veto)

[Purple State]

I would say keep Section 1, Clause 1, but add another clause that will deport any illegal alien found utilizing taxpayer-funded services.

[Purple State]

Um, if I'm reading this bill right, it's likely that millions of illegal immigrants have already become citizens. I don't know that repealing it would do all that much.

Parts of it are still in effect (minimum wage, can't be deported because of alien status, etc.).

[Purple State]

Rather than use this as a wholesale repeal of the legislation, how about use it to amend the old one. Increase border security funding, create a feasible and humane system for detention and deportation, etc.

[Purple State]

How about this offered as friendly:

The Illegal Immigrant Act of 2009
Section 1: Replacement
1. F.L. 18-8 is hereby repealed
2. Any illegal immigrant granted citizenship under the Illegal Immigrant Act prior to passage of this bill shall continue to maintain citizen status.

Section 2: State Services
1. No hospital or place of medical care may deny treatment to a person based on their status as an alien or non-citizen.
2. Within two weeks after the passage of this act, employers paying below the minimum wage to illegal aliens shall be prosecuted as if they were paying below the minimum wage to legal workers.

Section 3: Deportation
1. Any illegal immigrant found to have committed or planned to commit a crime or act of terror shall immediately be detained and deported to their country of origin.
2. Any illegal immigrant found to have received direct benefit from taxpayer-funded services shall immediately be detained and deported to their country of origin.
3. Upon detention and deportation of an illegal immigrant, any member of said immigrant's family that holds alien status may opt to return along with their family member or remain in Atlasia. This does not preclude the deportation of those aliens that wish to remain at a later date due to separate violations.
4. Detention and deportation may be delayed to allow for recovery from illness or life-threatening circumstances on a case by case basis.

[Purple State]

So wait, are we saying that any illegal alien that receives medical care will automatically be deported because he "benefited from taxpayer-funded services"?

Yes. It is incredibly costly to taxpayers to deal with the medical expenses of millions of illegal immigrants. It is fine if they want the medical care, but then we are deporting them after they recover. Otherwise, we become the free clinic of the world.

[Purple State]

So wait, are we saying that any illegal alien that receives medical care will automatically be deported because he "benefited from taxpayer-funded services"?

Yes. It is incredibly costly to taxpayers to deal with the medical expenses of millions of illegal immigrants. It is fine if they want the medical care, but then we are deporting them after they recover. Otherwise, we become the free clinic of the world.

I can't support that.

All that would do is make illegal immigrants afraid to seek medical care because they don't want to be deported, much like people that can't afford health insurance also think long and hard about whether they really want to see a doctor...only, in the case of illegals, it's a matter that will have immediate negative effects.

So we open our hospitals to unlimited debt? How about this instead then.

The Illegal Immigrant Act of 2009
Section 1: Replacement
1. F.L. 18-8 is hereby repealed
2. Any illegal immigrant granted citizenship under the Illegal Immigrant Act prior to passage of this bill shall continue to maintain citizen status.

Section 2: State Services
1. No hospital or place of medical care may deny treatment to a person based on their status as an alien or non-citizen.
2. Within two weeks after the passage of this act, employers paying below the minimum wage to illegal aliens shall be prosecuted as if they were paying below the minimum wage to legal workers.
3. The government shall fully fund all services for illegal immigrants required by this law incurred by citizens of Atlasia.

Section 3: Deportation
1. Any illegal immigrant found to have committed or planned to commit a crime or act of terror shall immediately be detained and deported to their country of origin.
2. Upon detention and deportation of an illegal immigrant, any member of said immigrant's family that holds alien status may opt to return along with their family member or remain in Atlasia. This does not preclude the deportation of those aliens that wish to remain at a later date due to separate violations.
3. Detention and deportation may be delayed to allow for recovery from illness or life-threatening circumstances on a case by case basis.

[Purple State]

I tried incorporating what you said Franzl into this edition:

The Illegal Immigrant Act of 2009
Section 1: Replacement
1. F.L. 18-8 is hereby repealed
2. Any illegal immigrant granted citizenship under the Illegal Immigrant Act prior to passage of this bill shall continue to maintain citizen status.

Section 2: State Services
1. No hospital or place of medical care may deny treatment to a person based on their status as an alien or non-citizen.
2. Within two weeks after the passage of this act, employers paying below the minimum wage to illegal aliens shall be prosecuted as if they were paying below the minimum wage to legal workers.
3. The government shall fully fund all services for illegal immigrants required by this law incurred by citizens of Atlasia.

Section 3: Deportation
1. Any illegal immigrant found to have committed or planned to commit a crime or act of terror shall immediately be detained and deported to their country of origin.
2. Upon detention and deportation of an illegal immigrant, any member of said immigrant's family that holds alien status may opt to return along with their family member or remain in Atlasia. This does not preclude the deportation of those aliens that wish to remain at a later date due to separate violations.
3. Detention and deportation may be delayed to allow for recovery from illness or life-threatening circumstances on a case by case basis.

Section 4: Border Security
1. The military shall deploy 10,000 soldiers along the Atlasia-Mexico border to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants, smuggling operations, and other activities harmful to the nation.
2. A border fence with electronic surveillance capabilities shall be built along the Atlasia-Mexico border to better monitor attempted entrance and to alert border security forces of potential breaches.
3. The military shall receive an additional $15 billion discretionary funding, on top of the above expenditures, to research new technologies and increase security to prevent illegal immigration into Atlasia.

[Purple State]

Honest question: would a fence even be worth the money?

Probably depends how good it is. Possibly only an electronic monitoring sort of fence? I still don't really understand why a large, tall fence doesn't work. I don't mean chain, like solid stone with checkpoints for legal passage between nations. If there are alert sensors on top of that to get border security down there immediately it could work.

[Purple State]

As I've mentioned a couple of times now. This Bill cannot refer to Atlasian citizens as being "illegal immigrants." At the instant they swear the oath of citizenship and are naturalised, they cease to be illegal immigrants and become citizens instead. They cannot be both and the Bill should not refer to them as being such.

It doesn't refer to legal citizens as illegal immigrants. It states that illegal immigrants that became citizens because of the Illegal Immigrant Act will not have that citizenship revoked due to the repeal of the original legislation.

[Purple State]

That's fine. Changing it to your language (or a slight variation of that) would probably make it clearer.

[Purple State]

Running out of time.

[Purple State]

Just trying to get everything finished. Seems to have been a lull in Senate voting patterns recently.

[Purple State]

6-0 Aye, this has passed. It's a shame that so few senators bothered to vote, though.

Now you need cloture and final vote.

[Purple State]

6-0 Aye, this has passed. It's a shame that so few senators bothered to vote, though.

Now you need cloture and final vote.

     We can avoid cloture by just waiting a day.

Good luck keeping everyone quiet for that long. Let's hope.

[Purple State]

The Illegal Immigrant Act of 2009
Section 1: Replacement
1. F.L. 18-8 is hereby repealed
2. Any illegal immigrant granted citizenship under the Illegal Immigrant Act prior to passage of this bill shall continue to maintain citizen status.

Section 2: State Services
1. No hospital or place of medical care may deny treatment to a person based on their status as an alien or non-citizen.
2. Within two weeks after the passage of this act, employers paying below the minimum wage to illegal aliens shall be prosecuted as if they were paying below the minimum wage to legal workers.
3. The government shall fully fund all services for illegal immigrants required by this law incurred by citizens of Atlasia.

Section 3: Deportation
1. Any illegal immigrant found to have committed or planned to commit a crime or act of terror shall immediately be detained and deported to their country of origin.
2. Upon detention and deportation of an illegal immigrant, any member of said immigrant's family that holds alien status may opt to return along with their family member or remain in Atlasia. This does not preclude the deportation of those aliens that wish to remain at a later date due to separate violations.
3. Detention and deportation may be delayed to allow for recovery from illness or life-threatening circumstances on a case by case basis.

So, is this the bill as it is now?

No you forgot Smid's amendment to s1(2).

So, now there is no longer a path towards citizenship?

I will be opposing this.

There is a path to citizenship, but not for current immigrants with illegal status. To be honest, there shouldn't be anymore because they became citizens under the original act. So this would serve as a deterrent against new illegal immigration.

[Purple State]

The Illegal Immigrant Act of 2009
Section 1: Replacement
1. F.L. 18-8 is hereby repealed
2. No clause of this Act changes the citizenship status of any Atlasian citizen, whether they are a citizen by birth or by naturalization.

Section 2: State Services
1. No hospital or place of medical care may deny treatment to a person based on their status as an alien or non-citizen.
2. Within two weeks after the passage of this act, employers paying below the minimum wage to illegal aliens shall be prosecuted as if they were paying below the minimum wage to legal workers.
3. The government shall fully fund all services for illegal immigrants required by this law incurred by citizens of Atlasia.

Section 3: Deportation
1. Any illegal immigrant found to have committed or planned to commit a crime or act of terror shall immediately be detained and deported to their country of origin.
2. Upon detention and deportation of an illegal immigrant, any member of said immigrant's family that holds alien status may opt to return along with their family member or remain in Atlasia. This does not preclude the deportation of those aliens that wish to remain at a later date due to separate violations.
3. Detention and deportation may be delayed to allow for recovery from illness or life-threatening circumstances on a case by case basis.

That's the bill. Franzl left out s1(2), Smid's amendment.