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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2009, 05:34:16 pm »
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If the Amendment is repealed in the voting booth (as seems to be the case after the ruling), I'm not sure there's much I can do about it, honestly.

These actions were clearly disallowed by the Court. What authority does the Atlasian Security Services have to issue currency in the SE?

It's not official currency, and I'm not claiming it's official currency. I am doing this without any support from the government of the SE and I am circulating it myself, without any SE involvement. The Constitution does not prohibit individuals from issuing currency, just regions.

The Senate has the sole power "To establish coin and currency, which shall be the sole legal tender of the Republic of Atlasia, regulate the value thereof, with respect to other coin and currency."

Again, I am not claiming to have legal tender status.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2009, 05:35:44 pm »
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If the Amendment is repealed in the voting booth (as seems to be the case after the ruling), I'm not sure there's much I can do about it, honestly.

These actions were clearly disallowed by the Court. What authority does the Atlasian Security Services have to issue currency in the SE?

It's not official currency, and I'm not claiming it's official currency. I am doing this without any support from the government of the SE and I am circulating it myself, without any SE involvement. The Constitution does not prohibit individuals from issuing currency, just regions.

The Senate has the sole power "To establish coin and currency, which shall be the sole legal tender of the Republic of Atlasia, regulate the value thereof, with respect to other coin and currency."

Again, I am not claiming to have legal tender status.

They can be interpreted as separate clauses. The article gives the Senate the sole power to establish coin and currency, to render that currency the sole legal tender of Atlasia, and to regulate the value of that currency.
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2009, 05:37:49 pm »
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From what I understand, the 'currency' would have the same effects as distributing say gift vouchers or even as 'wacky' novelty theme park money- they are issued by an individual or a compny and only reedemable through agreement with the same company or another company. They are valueless except to those who agree to their value.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2009, 05:53:35 pm »
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From what I understand, the 'currency' would have the same effects as distributing say gift vouchers or even as 'wacky' novelty theme park money- they are issued by an individual or a compny and only reedemable through agreement with the same company or another company. They are valueless except to those who agree to their value.

In that case any citizen could make a group and claim to have X amount of gold reserves and therefore issue their own currency. It would be anarchy.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2009, 06:01:24 pm »
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From what I understand, the 'currency' would have the same effects as distributing say gift vouchers or even as 'wacky' novelty theme park money- they are issued by an individual or a compny and only reedemable through agreement with the same company or another company. They are valueless except to those who agree to their value.

In that case any citizen could make a group and claim to have X amount of gold reserves and therefore issue their own currency. It would be anarchy.

It depends on the reserve, which on an individual level could be gold, or could be say string. Bear in mind that here in Scotland we have 3 different banks (if you count Bank of England, then 4) The notes that these 3 banks print are not legal tender, and are only worth their value if as the bearer you go the bank and demand to receive the equivalent monetary value in 'gold.' No one does, and I technically have 50 of non legal tender in my pocket. But I can, because of arrangment buy 50 of goods/services with that tender. Given that two, three hundred years ago these banks and predecessors were banks who's collateral, in one case was simply linen!
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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2009, 07:58:53 pm »
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From what I understand, the 'currency' would have the same effects as distributing say gift vouchers or even as 'wacky' novelty theme park money- they are issued by an individual or a compny and only reedemable through agreement with the same company or another company. They are valueless except to those who agree to their value.

In that case any citizen could make a group and claim to have X amount of gold reserves and therefore issue their own currency. It would be anarchy.

So? As long as they actually have gold reserves, I fail to see the problem.
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2009, 09:16:07 pm »
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From what I understand, the 'currency' would have the same effects as distributing say gift vouchers or even as 'wacky' novelty theme park money- they are issued by an individual or a compny and only reedemable through agreement with the same company or another company. They are valueless except to those who agree to their value.

In that case any citizen could make a group and claim to have X amount of gold reserves and therefore issue their own currency. It would be anarchy.

So? As long as they actually have gold reserves, I fail to see the problem.

It's a virtual game. There are no actual gold reserves... So you just say you have them and issue currency. It's like when kids play pretend army and one kid gets shot, he claims invincibility, so when he shoots someone they say they can't die, and it goes down-hill from there.
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2009, 09:19:26 pm »
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So you just say you have them and issue currency. It's like when kids play pretend army and one kid gets shot, he claims invincibility, so when he shoots someone they say they can't die, and it goes down-hill from there.

Like this?
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2009, 09:24:25 pm »
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So you just say you have them and issue currency. It's like when kids play pretend army and one kid gets shot, he claims invincibility, so when he shoots someone they say they can't die, and it goes down-hill from there.

Like this?

I just assumed we ignored those random announcements because they didn't go against the Constitution and had no significance.
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2009, 10:08:34 pm »
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It's like when kids play pretend army and one kid gets shot, he claims invincibility, so when he shoots someone they say they can't die, and it goes down-hill from there.

Congratulations for this very good description of SPC.
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2009, 10:24:43 pm »
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It's like when kids play pretend army and one kid gets shot, he claims invincibility, so when he shoots someone they say they can't die, and it goes down-hill from there.

Congratulations for this very good description of SPC.

Very mature.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2009, 10:26:47 pm »
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From what I understand, the 'currency' would have the same effects as distributing say gift vouchers or even as 'wacky' novelty theme park money- they are issued by an individual or a compny and only reedemable through agreement with the same company or another company. They are valueless except to those who agree to their value.

In that case any citizen could make a group and claim to have X amount of gold reserves and therefore issue their own currency. It would be anarchy.

So? As long as they actually have gold reserves, I fail to see the problem.

It's a virtual game. There are no actual gold reserves... So you just say you have them and issue currency. It's like when kids play pretend army and one kid gets shot, he claims invincibility, so when he shoots someone they say they can't die, and it goes down-hill from there.

It's true though. I wish we had some sort of rules laid out for that type of thing so this sort of stuff didn't happen, or some sort of "Department of Statistics" to lay out reasonable and realistic economic reports on a semi-regular basis and kept citizens within reasonable fantasy rules. But alas..
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2009, 10:27:08 pm »
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It's like when kids play pretend army and one kid gets shot, he claims invincibility, so when he shoots someone they say they can't die, and it goes down-hill from there.

Congratulations for this very good description of SPC.

Very mature.

But true.
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2009, 09:19:29 am »
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So, this entire concern is about SPC's active imagination?

I guess I shouldn't have addressed his ASS organization in the opinion because the plain text of the Amendment gave it no powers, regardless of what he might want it to mean (but lacks the linguistic capacity to express in words).

I merely wanted to point out that, regardless of whether a cow has spots or doesn't have spots, it is still a cow.
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