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Question: Should the U.N. Security Council be reformed to to no longer include permanent members?
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Lean Yes
 
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Neutral
 
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Lean No
 
#5
No
 
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« on: April 27, 2009, 10:58:28 PM »

32Criminal Trials by Jury81.3; 9.4; 0.0; 3.1; 6.3
1Women in the Military83.3; 5.6; 11.1; 0.0; 0.0
38Aid for Importing Prescription Drugs40.0; 46.7; 0.0; 6.7; 6.7
37Water as a Public Good80.0; 6.7; 0.0; 0.0; 13.3
9Legalize Prostitution73.1; 11.5; 0.0; 3.8; 11.5
19Legalize Marijuana74.0; 10.0; 0.0; 6.0; 10.0
31Jury Nullification79.2; 4.2; 4.2; 4.2; 8.3
25Job Outsourcing58.6; 20.7; 6.9; 0.0; 13.8
6Allow Gay Marriage75.9; 6.9; 0.0; 0.0; 17.2
17Government-Sponsored Health Care62.5; 15.0; 0.0; 7.5; 15.0
47Reduce Student Loan Interest64.3; 10.7; 3.6; 0.0; 21.4
26Line-Item Veto47.8; 26.1; 0.0; 8.7; 17.4
22Nuclear Power58.6; 13.8; 6.9; 6.9; 13.8
18Eliminate the Deficit40.0; 32.0; 12.0; 4.0; 12.0
29Doctor-Assisted Suicide56.7; 13.3; 0.0; 10.0; 20.0
30Reduce Military Fudning60.0; 8.6; 0.0; 8.6; 22.9
4Free Trade Expansion41.7; 25.0; 2.8; 11.1; 19.4
44Reduce Stop Light Cameras51.5; 9.1; 12.1; 9.1; 18.2
10Legalize Selling Human Body Parts44.0; 16.0; 0.0; 8.0; 32.0
5Legalize Hard Drugs31.3; 28.1; 6.3; 9.4; 25.0
23Protect Strikers' Jobs50.0; 7.7; 0.0; 19.2; 23.1
15Campaign Finance Reform40.6; 15.6; 3.1; 6.3; 34.4
16Funding of Religious Charities19.4; 35.5; 3.2; 16.1; 25.8
21Offshore Drilling30.3; 24.2; 15.2; 12.1; 18.2
46Marque and Reprisal against Piracy and Terrorism30.0; 20.0; 20.0; 10.0; 20.0
33Reduce the Corporate Tax36.7; 10.0; 6.7; 16.7; 30.0
34Limit CO2 emissions27.3; 18.2; 18.2; 18.2; 18.2
45Eliminate Copyrights38.5; 3.8; 3.8; 15.4; 38.5
8Punish Illegal Immigrants26.9; 11.5; 0.0; 7.7; 53.8
43Shorten Prison Sentences22.7; 13.6; 18.2; 9.1; 36.4
39Increase Foreign Aid25.0; 10.7; 3.6; 14.3; 46.4
42Mandatory Public School Attendance26.5; 8.8; 0.0; 17.6; 47.1
14Privatize Social Security31.3; 3.1; 9.4; 12.5; 43.8
41Continue Monetary Aid to Israel22.9; 11.4; 0.0; 17.1; 48.6
35Require Helmets for Skiing18.2; 15.2; 3.0; 3.0; 60.6
13Reduce Federal-Owned Lands24.0; 8.0; 24.0; 12.0; 32.0
40Permit Segregation in Prisons18.2; 13.6; 4.5; 18.2; 45.5
12Stricter Gun Control22.6; 3.2; 9.7; 16.1; 48.4
7Eliminate the Income Tax16.1; 9.7; 0.0; 6.5; 67.7
11Restrict Abortion22.9; 0.0; 5.7; 20.0; 51.4
27Allow Procedural Filibuster13.6; 9.1; 4.5; 9.1; 63.6
28Government Price Controls14.8; 3.7; 7.4; 18.5; 55.6
20Censor Indecent Broadcasts3.7; 14.8; 0.0; 18.5; 63.0
24Support NCLB8.0; 8.0; 4.0; 32.0; 48.0
3Return to the Gold Standard9.1; 4.5; 4.5; 9.1; 72.7
2Support the Patriot Act4.0; 4.0; 4.0; 12.0; 76.0
36Ability to ban Films and Video Games5.6; 0.0; 2.8; 13.9; 77.8

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 11:16:02 PM »

Somebody win me over.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 11:43:20 PM »


With no permanent members (or specifically no vetoes), the UN Security Council could actually act decisively. There would be no China or Russia sheltering various pet regimes from the UN. (Sudan is the most obvious.) Generally speaking, outside politics would be far less able to penetrate the Security Council's decisions.

Actually, I'm fine with permanent members. I would rather get rid of the veto and keep the permanent members (and expand to include Japan, Brazil, India and Germany).
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 11:49:05 PM »

Aye.  That's where I'm at too I guess.  I don't really care about permanent members, I think it's the veto that needs to change/go away.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 11:51:25 PM »

I still voted in favor on principle. The way elections to the Security Council work, you'd never get a Security Council dominated by countries with crazy leadership, although I'm a little leery of the remote possibility. Just a few perpetually sane permanent members (The US, UK, France, Germany, Japan and Brazil being perpetually sane) would guarantee sane majorities.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 11:53:16 PM »

No, but the unilateral veto should be abolished to stop Russia and China from protecting their pet regimes as Verily mentions and the US from vetoing over 90% of resolutions condemning Israel (not that those resolutions would do anything anyway.)
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 08:19:50 AM »

Did Lean No for the same reason everyone else ha stated above.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 12:04:49 PM »

Here's a suggestion for a new one: Should airlines be able to require particularly obese passengers buy tickets for two seats?
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 01:05:09 PM »

No, but we should remove Russia and China.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 01:22:06 PM »

No. The UN would be even more meaningless than it is, if the nations who actually have military and economic power don't have a veto power. In fact, at this point, it is really only the US that can enforce much of anything of any size on this planet. The UN Security Council passing resolutions to take action that cannot be enforced, or effectively thwarted, is just a bad idea.

One cannot make power politics go away, by restructuring the the Security Council. All that would do is eviscerate it.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 01:33:49 PM »


With no permanent members (or specifically no vetoes), the UN Security Council could actually act decisively. There would be no China or Russia sheltering various pet regimes from the UN. (Sudan is the most obvious.) Generally speaking, outside politics would be far less able to penetrate the Security Council's decisions.

Actually, I'm fine with permanent members. I would rather get rid of the veto and keep the permanent members (and expand to include Japan, Brazil, India and Germany).
^^^ This. The veto doesn't make sense to me since it allows China and Russia to protect various miscreants around the world while the US continually protects Israel from being called out for its misdeeds. I don't care if the most important and influential countries get to be permanent members.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 01:57:14 PM »


With no permanent members (or specifically no vetoes), the UN Security Council could actually act decisively. There would be no China or Russia sheltering various pet regimes from the UN. (Sudan is the most obvious.) Generally speaking, outside politics would be far less able to penetrate the Security Council's decisions.

Actually, I'm fine with permanent members. I would rather get rid of the veto and keep the permanent members (and expand to include Japan, Brazil, India and Germany).
^^^ This. The veto doesn't make sense to me since it allows China and Russia to protect various miscreants around the world while the US continually protects Israel from being called out for its misdeeds. I don't care if the most important and influential countries get to be permanent members.

The first time the UN took military action over US objections on an important matter, it would be effectively dead I would think on security matters, particularly if it constrained the US to lend it muscle. It just isn't going to happen
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 09:26:26 PM »


With no permanent members (or specifically no vetoes), the UN Security Council could actually act decisively. There would be no China or Russia sheltering various pet regimes from the UN. (Sudan is the most obvious.) Generally speaking, outside politics would be far less able to penetrate the Security Council's decisions.

Actually, I'm fine with permanent members. I would rather get rid of the veto and keep the permanent members (and expand to include Japan, Brazil, India and Germany).
^^^ This. The veto doesn't make sense to me since it allows China and Russia to protect various miscreants around the world while the US continually protects Israel from being called out for its misdeeds. I don't care if the most important and influential countries get to be permanent members.

The first time the UN took military action over US objections on an important matter, it would be effectively dead I would think on security matters, particularly if it constrained the US to lend it muscle. It just isn't going to happen

And it shouldn't happen. If they take a decision we don't like, we wouldn't provide troops for it. I think the veto hurts the US more than it helps.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 10:21:58 PM »

Let's do away with whole UN.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 07:47:33 PM »

The UNSC badly needs reforms, but getting rid of the permanent seats/veto powers would cause the UN to crumble.
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2009, 04:44:02 PM »

Without permanent members with veto powers, the UN is pointless. Simply none of the Great powers will give it any attention.
And Russia and China have used their veto power to shelter friendly regimes since 1989 exactly three times - and two of those are arguable. The US has used it to defend Israel 14 times.
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