Senate votes to allow licensed handgun carry in national parks

[Bono]

http://volokh.com/posts/1242242703.shtml

[David Kopel, May 13, 2009 at 3:25pm] Trackbacks
Senate votes to allow licensed handgun carry in national parks:

Sixty-seven Senators voted for the Coburn amendment, which says that persons can carry firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges to the same extent that they are allowed to carry by state law. All Republicans except Alexander (Tenn.) voted for the amendment. So did Independent Bernie Sanders (Vermont), and 27 Democrats. Including, I am proud to say, both Udall and Bennett of Colorado.

The amendment was attached to H.R. 627, the credit card legislation. The version of H.R. 627 passed by the House did not have anything like the Coburn amendment, but the 67 votes in the Senate (including a number of Senators who had been rated "C" or below by the NRA), indicates that the House would overwhelmingly support the proposal. Indeed, given that the anti-carry even lost Senators who had an "F" from the NRA, the House vote in favor might well go over 300.

Along with the widely-supported amendment (to the bill that would give D.C. a vote in the U.S.) to reform D.C. firearms laws, there is now a rather large number of Democratic Senators who are exceeding expectations, and on their way to earning much-improved grades on their next NRA report card. With the notable exception of Sen. Gillibrand, who appears to be doing her best to turn her 2008 "A" into an "F" for 2010.

[Holmes]

This amendment has so much to do with credit cards.

[Nhoj]

got the rollcall for this one? i want to see how my senators voted.

[Franzl]

Kohl and Feingold voted in favor.

the link to the roll call is in the first post, BTW.

[Nhoj]

Kohl and Feingold voted in favor.

the link to the roll call is in the first post, BTW.

yeah i see that i missed it cause it was part of the text. also im kinda curious about alexander that vote seems odd.

[Landslide Lyndon]

What exactly are the violent crimes that might take place in a national park?
Being attacked by a bear?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

What exactly are the violent crimes that might take place in a national park?
Being attacked by a bear?

Being attacked by a bear while using a credit card, apparently.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Hopefully this'll shut up the morons who honestly think Obama and the Democrats plan to impose more gun control and that there's an 80% chance of them reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban (LOLOLOLOLOL)

[Holmes]

What exactly are the violent crimes that might take place in a national park?
Being attacked by a bear?

Being attacked by a bear while using a credit card, apparently.

You know what?

You use snark now, but.......

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Some odd votes:  Alexander?  Feingold?  Kohl?  Leahy?  Sanders?  Shaheen?  Wyden?

I wouldn't have expected any of them to vote the way they did.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

This amendment has so much to do with credit cards.

While I like the amendment, I never like it when stuff like this gets rammed into unrelated bills.

[Nhoj]

Some odd votes:  Alexander?  Feingold?  Kohl?  Leahy?  Sanders?  Shaheen?  Wyden?

I wouldn't have expected any of them to vote the way they did.

you obviously dont know feingold or sanders very well they are both pro second amendment i know feingold voted against renewing the assault weapons ban a few years back.
unless its about the credit card part of the bill than i dont know i haven't read the bill.

[dead0man]

What exactly are the violent crimes that might take place in a national park?
Being attacked by a bear?

Yes exactly (or mountain lion, or wolf, or raccoon or any number of beasts that could potentially harm a human).  You don't have to be armed when walking through the deep wood, but it's certainly smart in many places.

[MaxQue]

I wanted to criticize for passing that in a law on credit cards, but, a Canadian can't give you a lesson on that. We legalized homosexuality, gambling for charities, abortion when the life of the mother is in danger, criminalized driving under influence and forbidden to insane persons to have a firearm in the same law.

[Landslide Lyndon]

What exactly are the violent crimes that might take place in a national park?
Being attacked by a bear?

Yes exactly (or mountain lion, or wolf, or raccoon or any number of beasts that could potentially harm a human).  You don't have to be armed when walking through the deep wood, but it's certainly smart in many places.

And since when being attacked by a wild animal is considered a CRIME?
Is the animal going to be arrested and put to trial?

[dead0man]

I have no idea what you're talking about.  ....ahh, the "crime" thing I guess.  Yeah, being attacked by a bear isn't a CRIME, my bad.  I don't know how much crime takes place in National Parks, did somebody actually bring that up somewhere or were you trying to be clever in your first post?

[Smash255]

I have no idea what you're talking about.  ....ahh, the "crime" thing I guess.  Yeah, being attacked by a bear isn't a CRIME, my bad.  I don't know how much crime takes place in National Parks, did somebody actually bring that up somewhere or were you trying to be clever in your first post?

Statement of Purpose

"To protect innocent Americans from violent crime in national parks and refuges."

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Hopefully this'll shut up the morons who honestly think Obama and the Democrats plan to impose more gun control and that there's an 80% chance of them reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban (LOLOLOLOLOL)

SOCIALISTS LIKE BERNIE SANDERS WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY!!!!!

[dead0man]

I have no idea what you're talking about.  ....ahh, the "crime" thing I guess.  Yeah, being attacked by a bear isn't a CRIME, my bad.  I don't know how much crime takes place in National Parks, did somebody actually bring that up somewhere or were you trying to be clever in your first post?

Statement of Purpose

"To protect innocent Americans from violent crime in national parks and refuges."

Alrighty then, color me embarassed.  I'd be much more worried about wildlife in the deep woods than I would be about a guy trying to snatch my wallet.

I suppose a lot of National Parks are not what I think of when I think of National Parks.  When I hear National Parks I think Yellowstone and Joshua Tree, but I guess they include places where you are a little more likely to have an asshat try and grab your wallet like the National Mall or Golden Gate Park.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I have no idea what you're talking about.  ....ahh, the "crime" thing I guess.  Yeah, being attacked by a bear isn't a CRIME, my bad.  I don't know how much crime takes place in National Parks, did somebody actually bring that up somewhere or were you trying to be clever in your first post?

Statement of Purpose

"To protect innocent Americans from violent crime in national parks and refuges."

Alrighty then, color me embarassed.  I'd be much more worried about wildlife in the deep woods than I would be about a guy trying to snatch my wallet.

I suppose a lot of National Parks are not what I think of when I think of National Parks.  When I hear National Parks I think Yellowstone and Joshua Tree, but I guess they include places where you are a little more likely to have an asshat try and grab your wallet like the National Mall or Golden Gate Park.

     I don't think Golden Gate is a national park (though the ability to carry a gun to protect oneself from crime there would be much appreciated).

[dead0man]

It is but it isn't.  According to wiki it is the second most visited National Park.  link

This is what it says on it's own page

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I'm not sure if it falls under this new rule or not...I'd assume it does.

[Associate Justice PiT]

It is but it isn't.  According to wiki it is the second most visited National Park.  link

This is what it says on it's own page

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I'm not sure if it falls under this new rule or not...I'd assume it does.

     Golden Gate Park != Golden Gate National Recreation Area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_National_Recreation_Area

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[opebo]

Happily I shall never go to a 'National Park'.

[dead0man]

Because clearly this will lead to a blood bath.  Just like every other time gun laws were relaxed somewhere.

[Lunar]

Wait, if this was attached to the credit card bill, and the credit card bill failed miserably, does that make this move irrelevant?  I support it, obviously, I can understand wishing for self-defense while camping from both wildlife and potential violent criminals.  Hopefully they're not being used to illegally hunt.

It seems odd that Coburn was the one that attached the amendment too, I thought he would be against attaching random things to random bills.