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« on: May 13, 2009, 10:22:02 PM »

From today's Tucson Citizen:

House OKs bill to allow guns in parked vehicles

The Associated Press

PHOENIX — The state House has overwhelmingly approved a bill that would permit a gun owner to keep a weapon out of sight in a locked vehicle in a parking lot or garage.

House approval of the bill on Wednesday on a 41-10 vote sends it to the state Senate, which has not yet begun considering non-budget bills during the current session.

Supporters said the bill would serve Arizonans who want to have guns in vehicles for self-defense and recreational purposes. Critics said it tramples on private property rights and overturns employers' bans of weapons on their property.

The bill, which Republican Rep. John Kavanagh of Fountain Hills has said he introduced at the behest of the National Rifle Association, would not apply to parking areas of detached, single-family homes.

Hardworking Arizonans already have been secretly leaving guns in their vehicles while going to work at places where guns are banned, said Rep. Frank Antenori, R-Tucson. "But they don't have to worry now about being potentially fired or penalized for doing that."

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 02:03:56 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 02:07:09 AM »

So why does someone need to keep a gun with them when they go to work? Do they work for the crips or something?
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 02:09:27 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 02:17:54 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 03:05:03 AM »

Sadly, I can't see the image from work.  I'm sure I'm missing out.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 03:14:22 AM »

So why does someone need to keep a gun with them when they go to work? Do they work for the crips or something?

Easy: after work they wish to go to a shooting range or hunt.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 03:14:59 AM »

So why does someone need to keep a gun with them when they go to work? Do they work for the crips or something?

The gun will be in the parked car when they go to work, not on them at their place of employment.  If you've ever had the privilege of living or working nights in a not-so-nice area, you might understand why someone might want a gun nearby at all times.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 07:29:56 AM »

So why does someone need to keep a gun with them when they go to work? Do they work for the crips or something?

The gun will be in the parked car when they go to work, not on them at their place of employment.  If you've ever had the privilege of living or working nights in a not-so-nice area, you might understand why someone might want a gun nearby at all times.

Who owns the parking lot? The employer. That's why this causes friction between the 2nd Amendment people and Chamber of Commerce types.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2009, 07:42:32 AM »

Phew, it must've been a pain not to be able to park with a gun in the car.
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2009, 08:35:39 AM »

personally i feel this is bordering on infringement on the rights of the businesses.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2009, 10:50:33 AM »

personally i feel this is bordering on infringement on the rights of the businesses.

Do you consider any car and its contents parked on your property to be under your control? There is a line that needs to be drawn, where does the business's property end and the individual's property begin? Where it is parked, how long it can stay there, and the intention of parking it there are as far as I would give a business owner. However, the right to the car itself and its contents should be solely the responsibility of the owner of the car. Wouldn't you agree?
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2009, 10:55:40 AM »

personally i feel this is bordering on infringement on the rights of the businesses.

Do you consider any car and its contents parked on your property to be under your control? There is a line that needs to be drawn, where does the business's property end and the individual's property begin? Where it is parked, how long it can stay there, and the intention of parking it there are as far as I would give a business owner. However, the right to the car itself and its contents should be solely the responsibility of the owner of the car. Wouldn't you agree?

Not really. Businesses have the right to have cars on their property searched. That is why companies can hire private security and inspect cars, with reasonable motives of course.

The individual's property begins on the individual's property or in the public domain. But within the property of another individual or group it is certainly not considered free from regulation by the property owner.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2009, 03:33:55 AM »

So why does someone need to keep a gun with them when they go to work? Do they work for the crips or something?

Easy: after work they wish to go to a shooting range or hunt.


So couldn't they just go home and pick it up if they wanted to, especially if their employer prohibits them from having guns on their property. Cynic's reasoning makes much more practical sense I think.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2009, 09:32:23 AM »

This is one of those symbolic much ado about nothing issues. But hey, if it makes the gunners feel better about themselves, I guess that is fine.
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