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« on: May 16, 2009, 11:51:01 PM »
« edited: May 23, 2009, 01:13:49 PM by Senator MasterJedi, PPT »

Atlasian Agriculture Reinvestment Bill

1) Farm subsidies will be reduced by ten percent across the board throughout the nation.

2) All farm subsidies to tobacco will be immediatly cut off.

3) No farm making more than a 50% profit on it's investment will be granted a subsidy if the owners of said farm make more than $200,000 dollars a year in personal profit.

4) No farm belonging to an individual or family making over $500,000 dollars a year in any field other than agriculture will be granted a subsidy.

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 12:27:56 AM »

Sounds like we want to reduce food. Someone give me the quick pros to cutting off subsidies to farmers so dramatically.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 12:45:52 AM »

Sounds like we want to reduce food. Someone give me the quick pros to cutting off subsidies to farmers so dramatically.

     Reduces government spending & allows a fairer playing field for foreign farmers (maybe we should include a provision to help induce other countries to reduce farm subsidies as well). I don't know about you, but those are the reasons I like it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 12:57:50 AM »

Sounds like we want to reduce food. Someone give me the quick pros to cutting off subsidies to farmers so dramatically.

     Reduces government spending & allows a fairer playing field for foreign farmers (maybe we should include a provision to help induce other countries to reduce farm subsidies as well). I don't know about you, but those are the reasons I like it.

I get the reason to oppose increased farm subsidies in the future, but simply shutting industries down rapid-fire seems like a bad idea. If you want to reword the bill to phase the cuts over a few years I could support that. This just seems to take a sledgehammer to the ag sector.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 01:41:04 AM »

I'd just like to comment on the amusing fact that this bill is called a "Reinvestment" while it makes cuts in every area. Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 02:22:56 AM »

This bill should be more phased out, over several years, especially regarding the total cuts Atlasian tobacco industry.

Also, regarding section three, is it personal profit from anything or just from the farms?

Regardless, I do support such a decrease in agriculture subsidies.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 02:31:15 AM »

Sounds like we want to reduce food. Someone give me the quick pros to cutting off subsidies to farmers so dramatically.

     Reduces government spending & allows a fairer playing field for foreign farmers (maybe we should include a provision to help induce other countries to reduce farm subsidies as well). I don't know about you, but those are the reasons I like it.

yes, those are reasons I like it as well, however I would also favor a more gradual process.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 03:54:19 AM »

     Offer amendment to change section 1 to read:

1. Farm subsidies will be reduced by ten percent across the board throughout the nation, with cuts spread over a period of five years.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009, 08:34:03 AM »

     Offer amendment to change section 1 to read:

1. Farm subsidies will be reduced by ten percent across the board throughout the nation, with cuts spread over a period of five years.

I support this amendment
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 11:35:12 AM »

I agree with PiT's amendment, and also propose:

2. All farm subsidies to tobacco will be removed completely, spread over a period of five years.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009, 03:00:10 PM »

And I propose a friendly amendment to both of those to state "spread evenly."
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2009, 04:33:04 PM »

I approve of your friendly amendment to my amendment. If that's the protocol here.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2009, 06:34:45 PM »

Probably have to let Happy accept your amendment and my amendment to that.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 10:11:24 PM »

I'd be happy to accept both as friendly.  Mostly I just wanted to start discussion on something dear to my heart with this bill.  I'm more trying to get rid of tobacco subsidies with this bill and stop them from big corporate farms which don't need them.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2009, 10:33:09 PM »

I'd be happy to accept both as friendly.  Mostly I just wanted to start discussion on something dear to my heart with this bill.  I'm more trying to get rid of tobacco subsidies with this bill and stop them from big corporate farms which don't need them.

I agree that we can't continue to throw cash at big tobacco and large corporate farms. I just want to make sure we do this the right way.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2009, 03:46:17 AM »

I'd ask those consdiering tinkering with agri-subsidies, to have consideration of the Farm Subsidies Abolition Act.
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2009, 08:31:34 AM »

With no activity at all and seemingly no intention of an amendment I hereby open up a final vote on this bill. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2009, 09:29:05 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2009, 10:57:37 AM »

     Aye
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2009, 11:59:09 AM »

Abstain
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2009, 12:51:24 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2009, 01:39:14 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2009, 06:46:30 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2009, 07:20:12 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2009, 08:32:47 AM »

This bill has enough votes to pass. Senators now have 24 hours to change their votes.
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