President Forever 2008 + Primaries: Policy Planks

[Phony Moderate]

Homeland Security
Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!

Immigration
Right: Tighten border security with stricter immigration enforcement provisions. Deport illegal immigrants.

Obvious contradiction is obvious.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Homeland Security
Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!

Immigration
Right: Tighten border security with stricter immigration enforcement provisions. Deport illegal immigrants.

Obvious contradiction is obvious.

Nope.

[Phony Moderate]

Homeland Security
Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!

Immigration
Right: Tighten border security with stricter immigration enforcement provisions. Deport illegal immigrants.

Obvious contradiction is obvious.

Nope.

Please, get over the fact that you are a nanny statist.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Homeland Security
Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!

Immigration
Right: Tighten border security with stricter immigration enforcement provisions. Deport illegal immigrants.

Obvious contradiction is obvious.

Nope.

Please, get over the fact that you are a nanny statist.

*Yawn*

[Associate Justice PiT]

Abortion: FL
Balanced Budget: R
Business Tax: FR
Education: R
Energy: CR
Environment: R
Gun Control: R
Health Care: CR
Homeland Security: FL
Immigration: CL
Iran: CL
Iraq: FL
Outsourcing: CR
Personal Tax: R
Same-Sex Marriage: CL
Social Security: FR
Unions: CR
War on Terror: FL

     I don't really like any of the planks for Health Care. I also think it would be more accurate to describe the FR position on Personal Tax as "eliminate all taxation". Finally, I think the FR position on Social Security is more moderate than the R position, since it implied that you could invest none of your retirement payments whereas it is not clear that the R position would allow you to do that in the long-term.

[Deldem]

Abortion:CL
Balanced Budget: C
Business Tax: CL
Education: L
Energy: CL
Environment: CL
Gun Control: C
Health Care: CL
Homeland Security: CL
Immigration: CL
Iran: C
Iraq: CL
Outsourcing: CL
Personal Tax: L
Same-Sex Marriage: L
Social Security: L
Unions: C
War on Terror: C

[President Mitt]

Abortion:
Far-Left - Full reproductive rights for women! Only appoint pro-choice judges to Supreme Court and extend abortion rights!

Government Spending:
Right - A large decrease in federal spending. A Balanced Budget Amendment to ensure responsible fiscal management.

Business Tax:
Far-Right - Significantly decrease business taxation.

Education:
Right - Support school vouchers and charter schools. Reduce federal government's role in education.

Environment:
Center - Balance environmental policies with sound economic policies.

Gun Control:
Right - Gun ownership is constitutionally protected. Protect sportsmen's rights and the Second Amendment.

Health Care:
Center - Public health care benefits for the poor and elderly, the rest private.

Homeland Security:
Far-Left - We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties! Return home all U.S. troops.

Immigration:
Left - Immigration is great! The more immigrants the better. Just require a criminal record check. Full blanket-amnesty.

Iran:
Far-Left - Iran should be able to develop nuclear technology - they will only use it for peaceful purposes.

Iraq:
Left - Withdraw all American troops at once. This was an illegal war of aggression.

Outsourcing:
Right - By outsourcing the U.S. frees up a lot of laborers to go on to better jobs. The profit stays at home.

Personal Taxes:
Right - Taxes should be flatter and lower. Across-the-board tax cuts.

Same-Sex Marriage:
Far-Left - Same-sex marriage is a fundamental human right

Social Security:
Right - Gradually scale down federal involvement and implement privatization of social security over time.

Unions:
Right - Unions are hindering our economic prosperity with their constant bickering.

War on Terror:
Far-Left - Terrorism will be reduced if we stop meddling in other country's affairs. Dramatically change our foreign policy.

[k-onmmunist]

I'm using the British one, 2005:

Asylum + Immigration: L (Dramatically relax immigration laws)
Ban on Fox Hunting: CL (Fox hunting is a cruel unneccesary sport)
Devolved Powers: CL (We need to increase devolved powers)
Education: R (Education is best provided by the private sector)
Environment: CL (Tax incentives for being eco-friendly. Invest in new research.)
European Constitution: R (We must withdraw from the European Union)
Home Defence: L (Criminals are human beings with human rights protections)
Identity Cards: L (Identity cards are a waste of money and an attack on our liberties)
Licencing Laws: L (We can drink as much as we like. No restrictions)
Marijuana: L (Full legalisation of cannabis for personal and medicinal use)
NHS: CR (Sell off aspects of the NHS to the private sector)
Northern Irish Peace Process: CR (Negotiate to remain British)
Pensions: R (Scrap the state pension, provide tax breaks for private schemes)
Smoking in public: C (Ban smoking in certain places)
Tax and Spend: R (Cut taxes, waste and government spending)
Terror suspects: CL (Terror suspects should get due process)
Terrorism: L (The war on Terror cannot be won by force)
Troops in Iraq: L (Withdraw all troops immediately!)

Overall: 2.6 - Centrist (1 = Left, 5 = Right)

[Sewer]

Abortion: Center-Left
Balanced Budget: Left? Center?
Business Tax: Center-Left
Education: Center-Left
Energy: Left
Environment: Left
Gun Control: Center-Right
Health Care: Left
Homeland Security: Left
Immigration: none
Iran: Center-Left
Iraq: Left
Outsourcing: Center
Personal Tax: Center-Left
Same-Sex Marriage: Center-Left
Social Security: Center-Left
Unions: Center-Left
War on Terror: Left

[tpfkaw]

(Atlas Forever issues)

Abortion: Center
Balanced Budget: Far-right
Business tax: Far-right
Education: Far-right
Energy: Right
Environment: Right
Gun control: Right
Health care: Right
Homeland security: Far-left
Immigration: Center
Iran: Center-left
Iraq: Left
Outsourcing: Right (what's the difference between the positions from center to far-right on this?)
Personal tax: Right
Same-sex marriage: Left
Social Security: Far-right
Unions: Center-right
War on terror: Far-left

[Mint]

Abortion: Right
Balanced Budget: Far-Right
Business tax: Center-Right
Education: Right
Energy: Center-Left
Environment: Center-Right
Gun control: Right
Health care: Left
Homeland security: Far-Left
Immigration: Far-Right
Iran: Far-Left
Iraq: Left
Outsourcing: Far-Left
Personal tax: Right (I'm sympathetic to a flat tax, but really anything that simplifies the tax system so the rich and connected don't rip us off I'm open to)
Same-sex marriage: Left
Social Security: Center
Unions: Center-Right
War on terror: Far-Left

[tpfkaw]

We're actually rather similar.

[President Mitt]

Abortion: Right
Balanced Budget: Far-Right
Business tax: Center-Right
Education: Right
Energy: Center-Left
Environment: Center-Right
Gun control: Right
Health care: Left
Homeland security: Far-Left
Immigration: Far-Right
Iran: Far-Left
Iraq: Left
Outsourcing: Far-Left
Personal tax: Right (I'm sympathetic to a flat tax, but really anything that simplifies the tax system so the rich and connected don't rip us off I'm open to)
Same-sex marriage: Left
Social Security: Center
Unions: Center-Right
War on terror: Far-Left

You seem like a combination of Mike Gravel and Pat Buchanan.

[Phony Moderate]

Updated:

Abortion: FL
Balanced Budget: C
Business Tax: CL
Education: L
Energy: L
Environment: L
Gun Control:  L
Health Care: L
Homeland Security: CR
Immigration: FL
Iran: CR
Iraq: CR
Outsourcing: CL
Personal Tax: CL
Same-Sex Marriage: FL
Social Security: L
Unions: L
War on Terror: CR
 
 

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Abortion: Left
Balanced Budget: Center-Left
Business Tax: Centre-Right
Education: Left
Energy: Centre-Left
Environment: Centre-Left
Gun Control: Left
Health Care: Left
Homeland Security: Centre-Left
Immigration: Centre-Left
Iran: Center
Iraq: Centre-Left
Outsourcing: Center
Personal Tax: Center-Right
Same-Sex Marriage: Left
Social Security: Center-Left
Unions: Centre
War on Terror: Centre-Left

[Mechaman]

Changes are in BOLD

Abortion: Center: Abortion is not an issue for government intrusion.  Oppose government control over abortion.  Leave it to the states.
Balanced Budget: Far-Right: We need to eliminate all debt as quickly as possible. Outlaw deficit spending with a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Business Tax: Center-Right: Reduce taxes for small businesses.
Education: Center-Right: School vouchers for lower-income students. Privatize failing schools. Charter schools provide competition.
Energy: Center-Left: Invest in clean energy and end oil company subsidies. Cut oil use significantly by 2025.
Environment: Center: Balance environmental policies with sound economic policies.
Gun Control: Far-Right: The Second Amendment is not negotiable! No restrictions on firearms!
Health Care: Right: Very limited role for government in health care.
Homeland Security: Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!
Immigration: Center Left: Legal immigration is great. Support guest-worker program for illegals.
Iran: Far-Left: Iran should be able to develop nuclear technology - they will only use it for peaceful purposes.
Iraq: Left: Withdraw all American troops at once. This was an illegal war of aggression.
Outsourcing: Center-Right: Outsourcing is not a problem, it is part of a globalized world and helps America.
Personal Tax: Right: Taxes should be flatter and lower. Across-the-board tax cuts.
Same Sex Marriage: Far-Left: Same-sex marriage is a fundamental human right.
Social Security: Right: Gradually scale down federal involvement and implement privatization of social security over time.
Unions: Right: Unions are hindering our economic prosperity with their constant bickering.
War on Terror: Far-Left: Terrorism will be reduced if we stop meddling in other country's affairs. Dramatically change our foreign policy.

[Phony Moderate]

Changes are in BOLD

Abortion: Center: Abortion is not an issue for government intrusion.  Oppose government control over abortion.  Leave it to the states.
Balanced Budget: Far-Right: We need to eliminate all debt as quickly as possible. Outlaw deficit spending with a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Business Tax: Center-Right: Reduce taxes for small businesses.
Education: Center-Right: School vouchers for lower-income students. Privatize failing schools. Charter schools provide competition.
Energy: Center-Left: Invest in clean energy and end oil company subsidies. Cut oil use significantly by 2025.
Environment: Center: Balance environmental policies with sound economic policies.
Gun Control: Far-Right: The Second Amendment is not negotiable! No restrictions on firearms!
Health Care: Right: Very limited role for government in health care.
Homeland Security: Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!
Immigration: Center Left: Legal immigration is great. Support guest-worker program for illegals.
Iran: Far-Left: Iran should be able to develop nuclear technology - they will only use it for peaceful purposes.
Iraq: Left: Withdraw all American troops at once. This was an illegal war of aggression.
Outsourcing: Center-Right: Outsourcing is not a problem, it is part of a globalized world and helps America.
Personal Tax: Right: Taxes should be flatter and lower. Across-the-board tax cuts.
Same Sex Marriage: Far-Left: Same-sex marriage is a fundamental human right.
Social Security: Right: Gradually scale down federal involvement and implement privatization of social security over time.
Unions: Right: Unions are hindering our economic prosperity with their constant bickering.
War on Terror: Far-Left: Terrorism will be reduced if we stop meddling in other country's affairs. Dramatically change our foreign policy.

I wish 'libertarians' would stop selling out to Social Communism.

[Mechaman]

Changes are in BOLD

Abortion: Center: Abortion is not an issue for government intrusion.  Oppose government control over abortion.  Leave it to the states.
Balanced Budget: Far-Right: We need to eliminate all debt as quickly as possible. Outlaw deficit spending with a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Business Tax: Center-Right: Reduce taxes for small businesses.
Education: Center-Right: School vouchers for lower-income students. Privatize failing schools. Charter schools provide competition.
Energy: Center-Left: Invest in clean energy and end oil company subsidies. Cut oil use significantly by 2025.
Environment: Center: Balance environmental policies with sound economic policies.
Gun Control: Far-Right: The Second Amendment is not negotiable! No restrictions on firearms!
Health Care: Right: Very limited role for government in health care.
Homeland Security: Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!
Immigration: Center Left: Legal immigration is great. Support guest-worker program for illegals.
Iran: Far-Left: Iran should be able to develop nuclear technology - they will only use it for peaceful purposes.
Iraq: Left: Withdraw all American troops at once. This was an illegal war of aggression.
Outsourcing: Center-Right: Outsourcing is not a problem, it is part of a globalized world and helps America.
Personal Tax: Right: Taxes should be flatter and lower. Across-the-board tax cuts.
Same Sex Marriage: Far-Left: Same-sex marriage is a fundamental human right.
Social Security: Right: Gradually scale down federal involvement and implement privatization of social security over time.
Unions: Right: Unions are hindering our economic prosperity with their constant bickering.
War on Terror: Far-Left: Terrorism will be reduced if we stop meddling in other country's affairs. Dramatically change our foreign policy.

I wish libertarians would stop selling out to Social Communism.

Explain where in the bloody hell in this list of policies that I have sold out to "Social Communism"?
What that I went from far-left (all out open borders) on immigration to center-left (support of guest workers and enthusiasm for immigration)?
That I went from endorsing a national policy on abortion to a state level policy?
That I went from a neutral position on healthcare to supporting a reduction of federal government involvement in it?
Tell me Obamaisdabest where the f*** Hell I somehow sold out to "Social Communism"?

[Phony Moderate]

Changes are in BOLD

Abortion: Center: Abortion is not an issue for government intrusion.  Oppose government control over abortion.  Leave it to the states.
Balanced Budget: Far-Right: We need to eliminate all debt as quickly as possible. Outlaw deficit spending with a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Business Tax: Center-Right: Reduce taxes for small businesses.
Education: Center-Right: School vouchers for lower-income students. Privatize failing schools. Charter schools provide competition.
Energy: Center-Left: Invest in clean energy and end oil company subsidies. Cut oil use significantly by 2025.
Environment: Center: Balance environmental policies with sound economic policies.
Gun Control: Far-Right: The Second Amendment is not negotiable! No restrictions on firearms!
Health Care: Right: Very limited role for government in health care.
Homeland Security: Far-Left: We do not need to be concerned with homeland security. No Star Wars or infringement on civil liberties!
Immigration: Center Left: Legal immigration is great. Support guest-worker program for illegals.
Iran: Far-Left: Iran should be able to develop nuclear technology - they will only use it for peaceful purposes.
Iraq: Left: Withdraw all American troops at once. This was an illegal war of aggression.
Outsourcing: Center-Right: Outsourcing is not a problem, it is part of a globalized world and helps America.
Personal Tax: Right: Taxes should be flatter and lower. Across-the-board tax cuts.
Same Sex Marriage: Far-Left: Same-sex marriage is a fundamental human right.
Social Security: Right: Gradually scale down federal involvement and implement privatization of social security over time.
Unions: Right: Unions are hindering our economic prosperity with their constant bickering.
War on Terror: Far-Left: Terrorism will be reduced if we stop meddling in other country's affairs. Dramatically change our foreign policy.

I wish libertarians would stop selling out to Social Communism.

Explain where in the bloody hell in this list of policies that I have sold out to "Social Communism"?
What that I went from far-left (all out open borders) on immigration to center-left (support of guest workers and enthusiasm for immigration)?
That I went from endorsing a national policy on abortion to a state level policy?
That I went from a neutral position on healthcare to supporting a reduction of federal government involvement in it?
Tell me Obamaisdabest where the f*** Hell I somehow sold out to "Social Communism"?

The mantra of "states' rights", of federalism so-called, does nothing, in itself, to aid individual liberty, which is my main concern with the concept. The Southern states in the 1950s were far less free and less individualistic than the north despite being less centralized.

The time has come for libertarians to stop letting themselves be roped into alliances of convenience with Social Communists (i.e. "states' rights" advocates)  on technicalities. Make them fight for it. You (claim to) believe in personal freedom; they believe in their freedom to deprive it from others. That's not something I want to support, nor I assume do you.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Abortion: C
Balanced Budget: CR
Business-Tax: R
Education: R
Energy: R
Environment: CR
Gun Control: R
Health Care: R
Homeland Security: L
Immigration: CR
Iran: FL
Iraq: L
Outsourcing: CR
Personal Tax: R
Same Sex Marriage: CL
Social Security: R
Unions: CR
War on Terror: FL

[Oakvale]

Abortion
Left: Keep abortion as it is presently. Safe, legal, and rare. Keep partial-birth abortion legal.

Balanced Budget
Center-Right: We need to curb spending in order to balance the budget. Respect taxpayers' dollars.

Business Tax
Center: Businesses are taxed the right amount.

Education
Left: No school vouchers, large increase to federal funding. Modernize school system with more after-school programs.

Energy
Left: Move towards energy independence focusing mostly on renewable energy sources. Subsidize clean energy.

Environment
Left: The environment and global warming is a major concern. Ratify Kyoto. Increase environmental regulations and pollution cleanup.

Gun Control
Far-Left: Ban all guns!

Health Care
Center-Left: Universal health care whether public or private. Require health insurance for every child.

Homeland Security
Center: Homeland security is a priority, balance between natural disaster relief and anti-terrorism. Missile Defense is inappropriate.

Immigration
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great. Support guest-worker program for illegals and amnesty.

Iran
Center-Right: We should prepare to attack Iran but be sure that we have the proper intelligence.

Iraq
Center-Left: We have done our job in Iraq. Begin pulling out troops gradually. Set a timeline for full withdrawal.

Outsourcing
Center-Right: Outsourcing is not a problem, it is part of a globalized world and helps America.

Personal Tax
Center-Left: Keep taxes progressive because it is fair and balanced. Exempt the very poor from taxes.

Same-Sex Marriage
Left: Same-sex marriage is a constitutional right.

Social Security
Center-Left: Allow a small amount of private investment but keep it regulated.

Unions
Center: Labor demands must be balanced with business concerns.

War on Terror
Center-Right: We should not hesitate to use military force against terrorism.


Some of the centrist positions are hilariously moderate hero, obviously.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Gun Control
Far-Left: Ban all guns!

LOL

[Phony Moderate]

Gun Control
Far-Left: Ban all guns!

LOL

He's from Europe.

[Oakvale]

Gun Control
Far-Left: Ban all guns!

LOL

He's from Europe.

Indeed! Things are different in America. Or Atlasia, which is what I assume fuzzy's referencing.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Gun Control
Far-Left: Ban all guns!

LOL

He's from Europe.

Indeed! Things are different in America. Or Atlasia, which is what I assume fuzzy's referencing.