Do you believe in √(-1)? (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 30, 2024, 09:06:05 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Discussion
  Religion & Philosophy (Moderator: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.)
  Do you believe in √(-1)? (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: Do you believe in √(-1)?
#1
Yes
 
#2
No
 
#3
I'm agnostic
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 42

Author Topic: Do you believe in √(-1)?  (Read 5625 times)
pbrower2a
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 26,839
United States


« on: June 07, 2009, 12:55:46 PM »
« edited: June 18, 2009, 08:05:57 PM by pbrower2a »

i is an answer; one can debate the relevance of the answer.

We have a hierarchy of genuineness of numbers. First we have the natural numbers that one counts with. Add the number "zero" for completeness through the inclusion of the concept of "nothingness" or a void.

The ancient Egyptians and Greeks hardly accepted zero as a number, perhaps suggesting that "nothingness" had no significance. Neither did they have the mirror image of the whole numbers, the negative integers, which with the whole numbers and zero comprise the integers, the "complete" numbers. 

The Egyptians found fractions -- "broken numbers" useful, as did the Greeks. Add to such numbers as 3/8  and 2/5  such inverses as 8/3 and 5/2 and one has all the broken, if sensible "rational" numbers -- if one allows 1 as a divisor. Zero is of course prohibited as a divisor.

Trouble arose with numbers that could not be seen as fractions -- like the square roots of 2 or 23, or the cube roots of 4 or 25. They could only be approximated with fractions, but they were solutions. The Egyptians knew well of the 3-4-5 right triangle and perhaps 5-12-13, 7-24-25, 8-15-17, 9-40-41, and 11-60-61 ... but the great Euclid could prove that the diagonal of a right triangle with rational sides could never be expressed precisely as a fraction. Such numbers didn't seam quite 'reasonable', so they were called 'irrational'. The weird constant π created its own problems.

Some cultures discovered zero -- our use of zero derives from Indian practice. They had the concept of the void and nothingness and had a number to express it. The Arabs found it useful, and we learned it from the Arabs.

In the Renaissance, people started trying to solve equations that supposedly had no answers -- like x^4 =1. "1" and "-1" are solutions, but so are "i" and "-i"; after all, i^4 =1. Numbers involving i were thus "imaginary" even if three-dimensional mathematics is  a sane proposition. But they were algebraic, establishing them as solutions of polynomial equations.  One could do about everything but establish order among them.

Numbers like π and the frequently-used e (base of the natural logarithms, and heavily in use) could later be proved impossible to find polynomial equations with π or e (among other numbers) from which one can find a root. Such numbers are called transcendental -- as they "go beyond" computation as they are un-algebraic.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.027 seconds with 14 queries.