School Standards Reform Bill (Failed)

[Franzl]

PE doesn't necessarily have to count towards the GPA....if that's what you're worried about, Dan.

[afleitch]

Anything along the lines of the UK National Curriculum is a good idea, though I feel this may be too 'specific' However other than minute points I don't have anything against it.

[Vepres]

simple. i helps their heart.

You are missing the whole debate. You have half the students who don't do anything in PE anyway, but sit around and talk. If having students taking PE will help them become healthy then why do we have all these obese kids now? A teenager at the age of 15-18 isn't going to run, jump and get active if the don't want to. So they will end up failing PE and get held back because of a PE class. I seen it happen many of times.

Although I agree with your position, I'll play devil's advocate for a second. I think you're relying too much on anecdotal evidence here. The fact is, some kids are so out of shape that walking for 45 minutes is beneficial, and what of the other half that are doing the activity? PE  curriculum could be reformed (more of a regional responsibility, but you get my point).

[Associate Justice PiT]

Amendment to Sections 2/3/4:

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I believe it would be better like this:

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make it 12 and under.

Why? 10-12 grade should be used for taking classes you need to take to get into college, it would just take a place of a class students really need to take.

Just for general health reasons. Physical activity should be encouraged.

Yes, but not mandated for older teenagers. Also, just people they take PE doesn't mean they are going to be healthy. I have a sister in the 6th grade and she said that PE class is a big joke, because half of the students just sit around when they should be playing sport games are walk the mile run when they should be running.

you would be surprised how much good it does even it you don't see it.

How does it do good? Most of the kids end up making a bad grade in PE which brings down their GPA. I just believe instead of making 10th, 11th and 12th graders take PE they should be able to take classes that they want to.

     I have no issue with forcing students to be physically active to maintain a good GPA. Someone who doesn't care about maintaining a healthy body weight should learn that there are consequences for doing so.

[Hash]

Section 4.3 ought to be removed.

[MasterJedi]

PurpleState, do you accept this as friendly or should I start a vote?

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[Ebowed]

You guys really enjoyed P.E., huh?

Harder to think of a more heinous waste of time...

[Purple State]

PurpleState, do you accept this as friendly or should I start a vote?

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I will accept Franzl's amendment as friendly and I thank him for keeping it broad, to allow some choice for the schools as to how to run their programs.

[Bacon King]

i object to the friendly amendment. PE should not be mandatory 10-12th and would just be an utter waste of time for all students involved.

[Purple State]

i object to the friendly amendment. PE should not be mandatory 10-12th and would just be an utter waste of time for all students involved.

Who said 10-12? Read the amendment. The school needs a program, which is not explicitly described by the clause. That is the only reason I accepted it as friendly in the first place. The school needs some sort of PE program, but what that is should not be for the Senate to decide.

[Franzl]

He's right, PS, it was an amendment for all grade levels and it clearly says "mandatory for all students"

[MasterJedi]

Ok then, since the objection: I hereby open up a vote on this amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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Aye

[Franzl]

AYE, a student should be taught through 12th grade to live in a healthy way....which includes physical activity.

[HappyWarrior]

AYE

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye

[Ebowed]

AYE, a student should be taught through 12th grade to live in a healthy way....which includes physical activity.

If that is our objective here, why don't we ban soft drink vending machines at schools?  Require better nutritional standards in school lunch programs?

[Franzl]

AYE, a student should be taught through 12th grade to live in a healthy way....which includes physical activity.

If that is our objective here, why don't we ban soft drink vending machines at schools?  Require better nutritional standards in school lunch programs?

Why do we make any subjects mandatory then, if we don't want to teach our students certain things?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

AYE, a student should be taught through 12th grade to live in a healthy way....which includes physical activity.

If that is our objective here, why don't we ban soft drink vending machines at schools?  Require better nutritional standards in school lunch programs?

my school has done that. we don't get coke anymore.

[Ebowed]

Why do we make any subjects mandatory then, if we don't want to teach our students certain things?

This is exactly my point.  High school students deserve more leeway than this.

[Franzl]

Why do we make any subjects mandatory then, if we don't want to teach our students certain things?

This is exactly my point.  High school students deserve more leeway than this.

OK, fair enough, but I see physical education as every bit as important as other academic subjects that I personally would make mandatory.

[Purple State]

Aye

I'm not really all that opposed to high school students taking part in PE. And I think the amendment allows schools to waive PE for those on sports team (part of the PE program flexibility), so I really have nothing wrong with this.

AYE, a student should be taught through 12th grade to live in a healthy way....which includes physical activity.

If that is our objective here, why don't we ban soft drink vending machines at schools?  Require better nutritional standards in school lunch programs?

Good idea. Why should the state pay money to provide unhealthy products to our children.

I would like to amend my legislation to include the following:

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[MasterJedi]

With 5 Ayes, 0 Nays and 0 Abstentions this amendment has passed.

[Hash]

If you insist on PhysEd, then remove section 4.3. Forcing a IB programme on a school that already has full periods for each student in IB1 and IB2 is crazy.

I ask that a Senator introduce an amendment to remove 4.3

[Associate Justice PiT]

     At Hashemite's request, I move that Section 4.3 be stricken from the text.

[Purple State]

     At Hashemite's request, I move that Section 4.3 be stricken from the text.

I will accept the amendment as friendly. Schools may use advanced courses such as AP and IB to strengthen their acceptance rates. For one to not offer them would indicate a pressing need.