Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two (Complete)

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Kirchner

[Sensei]

Martin Torrijos. He's no longer leading the motherland.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well he still is, but won't be in less than a month.

[Sensei]

Well he still is, but won't be in less than a month.

I spoke incorrectly, yes, Torrijos will be succeeded by supermarket tycoon Ricardo Martinelli soon enough. Only in Panama can the illegitimate son of a former military junta leader be elected in a landslide. The biggest FF military junta leader, but still.

[Gustaf]

Kirchner, but I'm not enjoying my vote.

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Ansip

[dead0man]

Kirchner, but I'm not enjoying my vote.

Kirchner for me as well, and with the same feeling.

What is everybody's problem with Ansip?

[GMantis]

Kirchner, but I'm not enjoying my vote.

Kirchner for me as well, and with the same feeling.

What is everybody's problem with Ansip?

For me, his rather bad human rights record. I don't know about the others.

[dead0man]

cite?

[GMantis]

cite?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Night
Of course, his politics against Russians in general have been disgraceful. Of course, just like his predecessors.

[dead0man]

Oh boy.  They moved...MOVED a symbol of Russian OCCUPATION of their country.  I know you have your pro-Russian spin on this, but holy hell man, can't you feel a little sympathy for a people occupied by a foreign invader for half a century?  Especially since they're one of the most free nations in the world since?  cite

[GMantis]

Oh boy.  They moved...MOVED a symbol of Russian OCCUPATION of their country.  I know you have your pro-Russian spin on this, but holy hell man, can't you feel a little sympathy for a people occupied by a foreign invader for half a century?  Especially since they're one of the most free nations in the world since?  cite

And for most Russians this was a symbol of the liberation from Nazi germany. Grave desecration is never defensible, especially when done for spiteful political reasons. I could sympathize with the Estonians if they hadn't led a systematic anti-Russian campaign since Independence, of which this incident is just one of the more blatant.

[dead0man]

Again, they were OCCUPIED by these people for a half of century, how welcoming should they be?  If the moving of a statue and a reburial is the worst thing the govt of Estonia has done to the great Mother Russia she should feel fortunate.

[GMantis]

Again, they were OCCUPIED by these people for a half of century, how welcoming should they be?  If the moving of a statue and a reburial is the worst thing the govt of Estonia has done to the great Mother Russia she should feel fortunate.

The occupiers (the Soviet troops) left after the Soviet Union fell. They're punishing people who have little to do with the crimes against Estonia. Many are just people who moved in Estonia for work or their children. For most Estonia is their home. A significant proportion supported Estonia's secession from the Soviet Union.
And it's not the worst thing they have done - depriving them of citizenship is much worse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Estonia#Citizenship

[Edu]

What is everybody's problem with Ansip?

No problem, i'm just trying to save Kirchner.

Wasted effort it seems

[Gustaf]

Hating Russians is not like hating Turks, of course.

[GMantis]

Hating Russians is not like hating Turks, of course.

I don't hate Turks and I don't think they should be punishef for the crimes of the Ottoman Empire and Turkey.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I don't think GMantis has ever proposed denying citizenship to Bulgarian Turks.

The statue was a WWII memorial. It's not like it was a statue of Stalin or anything.

Estonia isn't as bad as Latvia in this sense, but still pretty bad, at least Lithuania accomadated its Russian citizens. A post-independence slogan by Latvian nationalists was "Suitcase. Station. Russia." Yeah that sounds fair and unxenophobic, demanding that people who were born there and from three-generation families leave to a place which they were hardly famiiar with, and people who suffered just as much under Soviet occupation as well.

[Platypus]

GROUP A

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

[GMantis]

Andrus Ansip

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Andrus Ansip

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Morales

[minionofmidas]

Ansip

[big bad fab]

Estonia, come on.... aren't there far worse leaders to pick....

Patrick Manning.

[GMantis]

Estonia, come on.... aren't they far worse leaders to pick....

Patrick Manning.

What's so bad about him.