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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2004, 02:08:42 AM »

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-2-2004_pg1_7

"It went on to claim that US officials were keeping news of the arrest secret and were likely to announce it later in the year — in order to help US President George Bushh’s re-election chances in November polls, AFP added. “The capture of the Al Qaeda leader was made some time ago, but President Bush is intending to announce it at the time of the American presidential election,” the report claimed."


Cool!  I do have a feeling he'll be captured, before the election..  just hope its about a week or two before, and not several months before.  The ungrateful public would have time to start whining about their jobs again.

I would say that the most prefereable time would be right after the Republican Convention.  Kerry would be totally drown out for two of the biggests weeks of the campaign.
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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2004, 02:34:16 AM »

Interesting, Gustaf, this is something else we have in common. My personal theory is that Osama died in the battle of Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan December, 2001 (he has not appeared live since), and his deputy, Egyptian Ayman al-Zuwahri, together with most other top Al-qaeda figures like Saad Bin Laden and Abu Musab Zarqawi, are directing the group from Iran, with the support of the Iranian govt. Of course, I can prove no single portion of this theory, but it is based by information fom the generally-surprisingly-correct Debkafile, http://www.debka.com/ and fits past experience with both the Al-Qaedists and the Iranaian Ayatollahs. Therefore, I tend to think the decisive turningpoint, the Saratoga or Stalingrad of this war, will be the fall of the Iranian regime, by whatever means.
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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2004, 01:43:13 PM »


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Another Terrorist attack would help? Help who? You are sick, How could you even think that people dying in a terrorist attack could be helpful to anyone?  The whole thing is to volitile too their is no way of predicting how the US population would respond to a terrorist attack.
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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2004, 03:00:10 PM »

Another attack probably would help Bush.
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2004, 05:34:06 PM »

Another attack probably would help Bush.
I disagree. The attack would eliminate a background message that the terrorists have been unsuccessful mounting another attack in the US. This message has an appeal with a small part of the electorate, and in a close election it can matter. If there were another attack, only an immediate and swift response capturing the perpetrators could turn it into a plus.
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« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2004, 05:39:20 PM »

muon2,

I disagree.  Another terrorist attack would put terror at the forefront.  Bush is +10% over Kerry on most terrorism polls.  While another terrorist attack shouldn't help Bush, it would.
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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2004, 10:23:47 PM »

muon2,

I disagree.  Another terrorist attack would put terror at the forefront.  Bush is +10% over Kerry on most terrorism polls.  While another terrorist attack shouldn't help Bush, it would.

Its hard to say.  Bush does have the advantage in polls about handling terrorism, however another terrorist attack especially Al Qaeda could change that, especially with the Iraq/Al Qaeda connection the admin tried to put forth falling apart..  The whole going into Iraq took us away from the real threat (Al Qaeda) could resonate with voters
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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2004, 12:02:18 AM »

That's the whole reason that an idea that the terrorist would commit an act to some how cause an effect in the vote is rediculous.  It would cause turmoil but it would be impossible to predict how the electorate would react.
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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2004, 12:29:31 AM »

That's the whole reason that an idea that the terrorist would commit an act to some how cause an effect in the vote is rediculous.  It would cause turmoil but it would be impossible to predict how the electorate would react.

Perhaps that's all they want, is to cause turmoil? On 9/11, and even a couple days after, a lot in the US was completely shut down -- they flat out disabled us for that brief period.

I think terrorrists would love to cause any sort of swing in votes -- it's the one thing that we, as Americans, mention often when we're talking about many of the important freedoms we have -- the freedom to vote.

The biggest goal of the terrorrists, if they wanted to do something with elections, would be to flat-out cancel/delay elections in our country -- I doubt that would happen, even if it occurred on election morning.
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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2004, 12:45:51 AM »

That's the whole reason that an idea that the terrorist would commit an act to some how cause an effect in the vote is rediculous.  It would cause turmoil but it would be impossible to predict how the electorate would react.

The terrorists really don't care who wins.  I'm certain they would prefere Kerry, but there main cause is to destroy us.  That stays constant no matter who is in office.  The question is, who is more prepared to deal with the threats and the after-math of future attacks that are certain to happen.  An interesting treand has developed in the polls.  A majority of people believe that we are losing the War on Terror, but a majority still prefere Bush, indicating that they realize that this thing is for the long haul and any negative things that happen are not nessesarily Bush's fault and certain attacks cannot be prevented.  For that reason I believe that another attack would probably help Bush.
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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2004, 12:52:54 AM »

That's the whole reason that an idea that the terrorist would commit an act to some how cause an effect in the vote is rediculous.  It would cause turmoil but it would be impossible to predict how the electorate would react.

The terrorists really don't care who wins.  I'm certain they would prefere Kerry,

Kerry won't abandon Israel, so I doubt they would prefer Kerry. If anything, the terrorrists would probably want Walt Brown or someone to win.
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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2004, 01:22:30 AM »

Some  have made the argument that the U.S is not like Spain and they voters won't "give in" like they did in Spain.  First off that whole basis is incorrect.  For starters to say a Kerry vote is "giving in" is  wrong in the 1st place 2nd it wasn't that an attack happened why the voters went the way they did in Spain.  It was the government lying about who attacked Madrid which caused the voters to vote them out.  
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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2004, 01:26:27 AM »

Some  have made the argument that the U.S is not like Spain and they voters won't "give in" like they did in Spain.  First off that whole basis is incorrect.  For starters to say a Kerry vote is "giving in" is  wrong in the 1st place 2nd it wasn't that an attack happened why the voters went the way they did in Spain.  It was the government lying about who attacked Madrid which caused the voters to vote them out.  

You just made a point and then defeated it in the same post.  That took talent.
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2004, 02:12:48 AM »

Some  have made the argument that the U.S is not like Spain and they voters won't "give in" like they did in Spain.  First off that whole basis is incorrect.  For starters to say a Kerry vote is "giving in" is  wrong in the 1st place 2nd it wasn't that an attack happened why the voters went the way they did in Spain.  It was the government lying about who attacked Madrid which caused the voters to vote them out.  

You just made a point and then defeated it in the same post.  That took talent.


I thnk I worded it badly so I will explain it again.

The point I was trying to make is the argument that the Spaish voters "gave in" to the terrorists by electing the Socialist Government after the attacks is wrong.  They didn't give in to the terrorists, and they didn't vote the way they did because of the attacks.  They voted the way they did because the government lied about the attacks.

Now to the point I was making about Kerry.  Voting  for Kerry is not "giving in" to the terrorists

So people rightfully think Americans won't give into terrorism.  But because of what happened in Spain some people think that voting for Kerry is giving in to terrorism which its not the casw
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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2004, 04:27:00 AM »

That's the whole reason that an idea that the terrorist would commit an act to some how cause an effect in the vote is rediculous.  It would cause turmoil but it would be impossible to predict how the electorate would react.

The terrorists really don't care who wins.  I'm certain they would prefere Kerry, but there main cause is to destroy us.  That stays constant no matter who is in office.  The question is, who is more prepared to deal with the threats and the after-math of future attacks that are certain to happen.  An interesting treand has developed in the polls.  A majority of people believe that we are losing the War on Terror, but a majority still prefere Bush, indicating that they realize that this thing is for the long haul and any negative things that happen are not nessesarily Bush's fault and certain attacks cannot be prevented.  For that reason I believe that another attack would probably help Bush.

You're certain they don't care though you think they would prefer Kerry.  See your on to the truth, the first part of the statement is probably true.  They don't care, they are all American imperilist dogs the second part of the statement is you reading your own political ideology in to the pontential though I hope preventable future actions of hypotectical terrorisits.  I hope the US governement is doing all that it can do to prevent such a terrorist attack and if it is than most likely the American public probably shouldn't hear much about its aversion.  

My take is why should the terrorists want Kerry.  Bush is good for business, he's the ultimate recruiting poster.  I am ready to admit that this is how I see.  You should admit that you think that the terrorirsts want Kerry because of your own personal prejudices and together we can realize that the terrorists don't care. Their action is unpredictiable.  Who ever is president will respond to their action in a probably a heavy handed manner that may or may not help their cause. Fanatism creates more fanatism.  If the terrorists want anything it is to make the US more reactionary so we make dramatic responses to terrorist actions.  The only way to combat that isn't to move to the extreme in to our sides.  Polarity will only breed fascism.  The only way to truely be defiant of terrorist actions is to have faith in democracy and move to the center.  Freedom of speech, freedom to critize, a policy of internal development not external reactions.  

To think that the terrorists want the opposite of what you want.  Be it you are for Kerry and the terrorists want Bush or you are for Bush and the terrorists are for Kerry verges on pure lunacy because it means that you are rationalizing their actions into the spectrum of your own understanding which you can not or at least should not try to do.
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« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2004, 08:41:33 AM »

An attack turns soccer moms into security moms.  It helps Bush where he is weakest - with women.  Also, an attack by terrorists in this country pisses off Bush's strength - the white mail.  They become even more energized for Bush.

The best scenario for Bush would be no attack in the U S but rather attacks in Europe.  That keeps security on the forefront of voter's minds.  Very bad news for Kerry.
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« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2004, 08:51:20 AM »


Let them attack France!  hahaha
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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2004, 09:46:13 AM »

LOL
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« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2004, 01:32:36 PM »


Let them attack France!  hahaha

Sick, sick, sick.  Let them attack France.  Do you even realize what you are joking about?  I would say let France catch Osama Bin Laden because even if it was egg on our face a terrorist enemy would be dealt with and the world might be a little bit more secure.  Even joking about wanting to see more terrorist attacks is completely twisted.
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« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2004, 01:34:35 PM »


Let them attack France!  hahaha

Sick, sick, sick.  Let them attack France.  Do you even realize what you are joking about?  I would say let France catch Osama Bin Laden because even if it was egg on our face a terrorist enemy would be dealt with and the world might be a little bit more secure.  Even joking about wanting to see more terrorist attacks is completely twisted.


An attack on France would only do one thing. It would lead to the building of mosques all over Paris because Chirac would run to Vichy and immediately form a "coalition" with the terrorists and split the nation in half with Iran.
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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2004, 02:25:40 PM »


Let them attack France!  hahaha

Sick, sick, sick.  Let them attack France.  Do you even realize what you are joking about?  I would say let France catch Osama Bin Laden because even if it was egg on our face a terrorist enemy would be dealt with and the world might be a little bit more secure.  Even joking about wanting to see more terrorist attacks is completely twisted.


I'll take that as a compliment.
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« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2004, 04:06:33 PM »


Let them attack France!  hahaha

Sick, sick, sick.  Let them attack France.  Do you even realize what you are joking about?  I would say let France catch Osama Bin Laden because even if it was egg on our face a terrorist enemy would be dealt with and the world might be a little bit more secure.  Even joking about wanting to see more terrorist attacks is completely twisted.


An attack on France would only do one thing. It would lead to the building of mosques all over Paris because Chirac would run to Vichy and immediately form a "coalition" with the terrorists and split the nation in half with Iran.

Sounds about right.
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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2004, 01:43:31 PM »

Remember...you heard it here first!

Just a remember as to where you heard it first.
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« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2004, 01:48:27 PM »

French Special Forces....

Trained to surrender in 13 different languages Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2004, 02:46:38 PM »


Let them attack France!  hahaha

Sick, sick, sick.  Let them attack France.  Do you even realize what you are joking about?  I would say let France catch Osama Bin Laden because even if it was egg on our face a terrorist enemy would be dealt with and the world might be a little bit more secure.  Even joking about wanting to see more terrorist attacks is completely twisted.


An attack on France would only do one thing. It would lead to the building of mosques all over Paris because Chirac would run to Vichy and immediately form a "coalition" with the terrorists and split the nation in half with Iran.

OMG.

You France-haters are so stupid. That would not be the French reaction at all. They'd use all the force they could muster. What none of you seem to realize is that France had no INTEREST in supporting the US, it wasn't b/c they're cowards. They're amoral and fairly weak, not frightened.
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