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« on: June 09, 2009, 05:32:45 pm »

1. Otto von Bismarck (1867-1890) eliminated round seven
2. Leo von Caprivi (1890-1894) eliminated round eleven
3. Chlodwig zu Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst (1894-1900) eliminated round ten
4. Bernhard von Bülow (1900-1909) eliminated round nine
5. Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg (1909-1917) eliminated round eight
6. Georg Michaelis (1917) eliminated round six
7. Georg von Hertling (1917-1918) eliminated round fourteen
8. Maximilian von Baden (1918) eliminated round fifteen
9. Friedrich Ebert (1918-1919) eliminated round twenty-six
10. Philipp Scheidemann (1919) eliminated round thirty
11. Gustav Bauer (1919-1920) eliminated round seventeen
12. Hermann Müller (1920 and 1928-1930) eliminated round nineteen
13. Konstantin Fehrenbach (1920-1921) eliminated round twenty-three
14. Joseph Wirth (1921-1922) eliminated round twenty-seven
15. Wilhelm Cuno (1922-1923) eliminated round thirteen
16. Gustav Stresemann (1923) eliminated round twenty-four
17. Wilhelm Marx (1923-1925 and 1926-1928) eliminated round thirty-one
18. Hans Luther (1925-1926) eliminated round twelve
19. Heinrich Brüning (1930-1932) eliminated round sixteen
20. Franz von Papen (1932) eliminated round four
21. Kurt von Schleicher (1932-1933) eliminated round five
22. Adolf Hitler (1933-1945) eliminated round one
23. Joseph Goebbels (1945) eliminated round two
24. Lutz Schwerin von Krosigk (1945) eliminated round three
25. Konrad Adenauer (1949-1963) eliminated round thirty-two
26. Ludwig Erhard (1963-1966) eliminated round twenty-two
27. Kurt Georg Kiesinger (1966-1969) eliminated round eighteen
Winner28. Willy Brandt (1969-1974)
Winner29. Walter Scheel (1974) eliminated round twenty-one
30. Helmut Schmidt (1974-1982) eliminated round twenty-nine
31. Helmut Kohl (1982-1998) eliminated round twenty
32. Gerhard Schröder (1998-2005) eliminated round twenty-five
33. Angela Merkel (2005- ?) eliminated round twenty-eight

Results :
round one: Hitler 9, Bismarck 1
round two: Goebbels 8, Bismarck 1, Scheel 1, Merkel 1
round three: Krosigk 4, Bismarck 2, Schleicher 2, Merkel 1
round four: Papen 3, Bismarck 2, Schleicher 2
round five: Schleicher 4, Bismarck 1, Michaelis 1
round six: Michaelis 4, Bismarck 2, Erhard 1
round seven: Bismarck 2, Bülow 1, Bethmann-Hollweg 1, von Baden 1
round eight: Bethmann-Hollweg 2, Bülow 1, Caprivi 1, Hertling 1
round nine: Bülow 3, von Baden 1, Hohenlohe 1
round ten: Hohenlohe 3, Caprivi 2, Luther 1
round eleven: Caprivi 5, Luther 1
round twelve: Luther 3, Cuno 2
round thirteen: Cuno 4, Hertling 3
round fourteen: Hertling 8, Cuno 1 (invalid)
round fifteen: von Baden 4, Bauer 1, Müller 1, Erhard 1, Stresemann 1
round sixteen: Brüning 5, Bauer 4, Erhard 2
round seventeen: Bauer 3, Erhard 1, Kohl 1
round eighteen: Kiesinger 3, Kohl 2, Müller 1, Stresemann 1
round nineteen: Müller 4, Erhard 3, Stresemann 1
round twenty: Kohl 5, Schröder 2
round twenty-one: Scheel 9, Schmidt 1
round twenty-two: Erhard 6, Schröder 4, Schmidt 1
round twenty-three: Fehrenbach 3, Schröder 1, Stresemann 1
round twenty-four: Stresemann 5, Schröder 1
round twenty-five: Schröder 5, Wirth 3, Ebert 1, Merkel 1
round twenty-six: Ebert 3, Wirth 2, Merkel 1, Schmidt 1
round twenty-seven: Wirth 6, Schmidt 4, Merkel 1
round twenty-eight: Merkel 7, Schmidt 3
round twenty-nine: Schmidt 5, Brandt 1, Marx 1, Scheidemann 1
round thirty: Scheidemann 5, Marx 2, Adenauer 2
round thirty-one: Marx 4, Adenauer 3
round thirty-two: Adenauer 10, Brandt 8
winner: Brandt

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 05:34:11 pm »

Yep, Hitler hasn't received 100 % in round one....
See, Lief, nothing is absolutely sure Smiley

Anyway, without any surprise for this round:
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2009, 05:36:22 pm »
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 06:25:50 pm »
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Please please please keep it in one thread, Filliatre.

Also, Goebbels
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 06:28:48 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 02:02:28 am »

Please please please keep it in one thread, Filliatre.

Why not, but what's the problem ? Does it take too much space and push other threads on the 2nd page too quickly ? Or do you want votes' "history" in the same thread ?
Looking forward to your answer !
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 02:03:17 am »
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Both, but particularly the first concern.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 05:23:22 am »
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Walter Scheel, because he was no Chancellor.

(There's no formal position of "Acting chancellor" in Germany and almost nobody in Germany would claim that Scheel was Chancellor once. He was foreign minister and vice chancellor and for a few days during his term there wasn't a Chancellor, so he was the highest-ranking government official for this period of time. If we pursue the nitpicking even further: Scheel wasn't acting chancellor, he was acting head of government. You're Chancellor if you're elected by the Bundestag. No election, no Chancellor. Tongue )
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 05:41:03 am »
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2009, 08:39:05 am »

Walter Scheel, because he was no Chancellor.

(There's no formal position of "Acting chancellor" in Germany and almost nobody in Germany would claim that Scheel was Chancellor once. He was foreign minister and vice chancellor and for a few days during his term there wasn't a Chancellor, so he was the highest-ranking government official for this period of time. If we pursue the nitpicking even further: Scheel wasn't acting chancellor, he was acting head of government. You're Chancellor if you're elected by the Bundestag. No election, no Chancellor. Tongue )

True, there isn't any "acting chancellor", but article 69 of German Basic Law is about the deputy federal Chancellor and about the fact that the president is able to ask a minister to take care of business during a vacancy. Hasn't Scheel been asked to rule the transition ?

One more evidence that it's better to ask everyone before launching a Survivor which is more than a list completely decided only by its "creator"...

Anyway, I won't change the list now and, as I've said before, Scheidemann hadn't the title of Chancellor.
And I may add that Krosigk refused to hold the title of Chancellor of the Reich, but it was pointless since he acted during only a few days and his government wasn't agreed by the Allies.

So let's keep those 3 exceptions, in one way or another.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2009, 05:30:54 pm »

Results of round two: Goebbels is out, but not with all the votes.

ROUND THREE IS OPEN

And I vote for Krosigk,

judged at Nuremberg, not exactly a nice guy, another hypocritical man, who wasn't a member of the NSDAP, but who was a real supporter and an actor.
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 06:12:20 pm »

Krosigk fell in round 3.

ROUND FOUR IS OPEN

And I vote fo Franz von Papen,

a bad conservative, one of those who paved the way for Hitler.
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