GERMAN CHANCELLORS SURVIVOR- winner: Willy BRANDT, over Adenauer !
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« Reply #250 on: July 14, 2009, 05:17:58 PM »

Wirth is out after a fiercely fought round

ROUND TWENTY-EIGHT IS OPEN

I vote for Merkel !
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« Reply #251 on: July 14, 2009, 06:34:15 PM »

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« Reply #252 on: July 14, 2009, 08:10:54 PM »

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« Reply #253 on: July 14, 2009, 08:13:29 PM »

Angela Merkel, I guess.
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« Reply #254 on: July 14, 2009, 09:53:22 PM »

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« Reply #255 on: July 15, 2009, 12:14:41 AM »

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« Reply #256 on: July 15, 2009, 05:22:31 AM »

Hmmm.... oh well, Merkel. The chance for Schmidt will come back. Merkel might not. After all, the next obvious alternative is Adenauer. Smiley
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« Reply #257 on: July 15, 2009, 06:00:14 AM »

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« Reply #258 on: July 15, 2009, 07:38:25 AM »

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« Reply #259 on: July 15, 2009, 04:35:04 PM »

Merkel is eventually out, after having received one vote as soon as round 2 ! She was a big fighter, betrayed by myself !

ROUND TWENTY-NINE IS OPEN

I vote for Willy Brandt.

Granted, there was this great Ostpolitik.
BUT, in internal affairs, Germany didn't do very good with him, in terms of economics and public finances.
He wasn't able to find that Guillaume was a spy.
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« Reply #260 on: July 15, 2009, 04:39:03 PM »

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« Reply #261 on: July 15, 2009, 04:39:48 PM »

BUT, in internal affairs, Germany didn't do very good with him, in terms of economics and public finances.
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Schmidt, of course.
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« Reply #262 on: July 15, 2009, 04:45:08 PM »

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« Reply #263 on: July 15, 2009, 04:47:17 PM »

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« Reply #264 on: July 15, 2009, 05:03:03 PM »

BUT, in internal affairs, Germany didn't do very good with him, in terms of economics and public finances.
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Schmidt, of course.

Big inflation throughout the period.
Failed experience of floating DM in 1971 (Schiller resigned in 1972).
Small recession in industrial output in late 1971, beginning 1972, less than 1% growth in 1973, almost 0 in 1974.
Of course, there was the monetary crisis and then the oil crisis.
But I think Brandt wasn't a great manager.

And don't forget we have only 5 chancellors left. I need to give some motives to eliminate Brandt now... Wink

And I quite like Schmidt, a moderate guy, very pro-European. He did all that he could in a very tough time.
I know he is going to be ousted. But it will be without my vote, as in Bismarck and Kohl cases. And I don't want to see an unanimous vote against him. So sad Wink
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« Reply #265 on: July 15, 2009, 05:56:56 PM »

I'd like to change my vote to Philipp Scheidemann, mar plij.
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« Reply #266 on: July 15, 2009, 05:57:35 PM »

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« Reply #267 on: July 15, 2009, 07:16:52 PM »
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« Reply #268 on: July 16, 2009, 02:56:31 AM »

I'd like to change my vote to Philipp Scheidemann, mar plij.
OK, as I haven't fixed any rule on this Smiley
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« Reply #269 on: July 16, 2009, 03:01:11 PM »

Oh, just great, no one who I really dislike left Sad

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« Reply #270 on: July 16, 2009, 05:06:34 PM »

Helmut Schmidt is out, without any surprise.

ROUND THIRTY IS OPEN

I vote for Scheidemann.

Well, with 4 chancellors left, things are getting really hard.
My provocative vote against Brandt wasn't a success. I must try someone else !
And Marx, well, he was faced with so harsh a context...
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« Reply #271 on: July 16, 2009, 05:54:57 PM »

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« Reply #272 on: July 17, 2009, 02:55:29 AM »

Adenauer.

A weird one, that yin. An old-world 19th century catholic authoritarian whose old-world hatred of Prussian authoriarianism led him to dabble in high treason in the early 20s (Rhenanian Separatism, lol)... and who seized the chance of defeating Prussian authoritarianism that the division of Germany provided. And who therefore, despite all the lip service to "German Unity", set about perpetuating that division.
It was a great success. You have to grant him that. I'm glad it worked out that way. Though the work would of course have remained incomplete without the 68ers. (And though it set the CDU on its incredibly twisted course of condemning and all the same propping up the GDR regime, and collecting the votes of those who condemned it most unreasoningly. A course it still hasn't come off off, and that's not doing Germany any good.)
But that doesn't make the man at all likeable.
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« Reply #273 on: July 17, 2009, 03:17:01 AM »

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« Reply #274 on: July 17, 2009, 12:28:47 PM »

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