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« on: June 19, 2009, 04:03:24 AM »

Inspirated from the USA corresponding topic.
Chose the candidate you would have voted for in First and Second round.

Here's my list :

1965 : Mitterrand/De Gaulle
1969 : Rocard/Poher
1974 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1981 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1988 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1995 : Jospin/Jospin
2002 : Jospin/Chirac
2007 : Bayrou/Royal

Notes :
- 1965 Mitterrand 1st round as a protest vote against De Gaulle's conservatism, but I would finally prefer De Gaulle.
- 1969 was an horrible year... could not vote for Defferre, and Rocard has always been a nice and intelligent politician
- 2002 Chirac very, very reluctantly, as a half of those who voted for him...
- 2007 Can't bear Royal, but Tout sauf Sarkozy !
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 06:01:30 AM »
« Edited: June 19, 2009, 07:15:01 PM by big bad fab »

That's what I would have voted IF I WERE THE SAME AS TODAY.

1965: de Gaulle/de Gaulle
1969: Pompidou/Pompidou
1974: Chaban-Delmas/Giscard d'Estaing
1981: Giscard d'Estaing/Giscard d'Estaing
1988: Barre/Chirac
1995: Balladur/Chirac
2002: Boutin/Chirac
2007: Sarkozy/Sarkozy

The 1st round of 1981 is really difficult for right voters: a narcissic VGE, a too rightist Chirac, a decaying Debré, an obsessive Garaud... I think I would have voted "utile".
I would have long hesitated between VGE, Garaud and Debré, I think.

Lecanuet and Marcilhacy would have been tempting in the 1st round in 1965 (not so many pro-Europeans in French presidential elections...), but de Gaulle is de Gaulle.

If I was born in 1969 and not in 1970, I would have voted Ducatel or Rocard and then Poher, considering my familial environment.

If I were able to vote AT THE TIME, I would have voted (considering familial environment up to 1981 and my own opinions afterwards):
1974: Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1981: Crépeau/Mitterrand
1988: Waechter (or Mitterrand)/Mitterrand

And I voted:
1995: Chirac/Chirac (I was so angry about Balladur's narcissism and Pasqua's manoeuvres...)
2002: Chirac/Chirac (The 1st round wasn't easy and voting Boutin would have been dangerous...see Jospin vs Taubira, Chevènement et alii)
2007: Sarkozy/Sarkozy

OMG, 6 ballots and 4 for Chirac...
Elections aren't the implementation of an ideal !

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 09:57:59 AM »

So you are a rightist in a leftist family ? Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 12:49:57 PM »

I often tend to change my mind in these thingees. And I like to vote for joke candidates.

With hindsight:

1965: Marcilhacy / de Gaulle: de Gaulle is de Gaulle, but I'm not a fan of his Euroscepticism and most importantly his very centralizing tendencies. Still, I would obviously vote for him over Mitterrand, who I hate.
1969: Defferre / Poher: I know Defferre had an alliance with the mafia and the local crooks, but aside from that, I have the impression that he would have been a good President. Plus, I like his decentralization laws he did under Mitterrand. Poher is a very good guy.
1974: Royer / Giscard: I can't resist not voting for my favourite joke politician.
1981: Marchais / Giscard: Everybody should vote for Marchais, obviously. C'est pt'etre pas vot' question, mais c'est ma reponse I would have held my nose and voted for Bokassa's friend in the runoff, though I might as well abstain. I would rather eat sh**t then vote for Mitterrand.
1988: Waechter [or Barre] / Chirac: Waechter was one of the decent Greenies, though I might have voted for Barre too. I would have held my nose and voted for Bongo's friend in the runoff for the same reason as above, though I might as well abstain.
1995: Balladur / Chirac: Either these two horrors or abstain. All candidates sucked. I considered a joke vote for de Villiers.
2002: Saint-Josse / Chirac: Joke vote for the Hunters and voting for Chirac just to vote against Herr Le Pen.
2007: Nihous / Sarközy: Joke vote for the Hunters and voting for Sarkozy because Royal is, well, uhm... a retarded douchebag.

Without hindsight

1965: de Gaulle / de Gaulle
1969: Poher / Poher
1974: Chaban-Delmas / Giscard
1981: Crépeau (or Lalonde) / Mitterrand
1988: Mitterrand (or Barre) / Mitterrand
1995: Balladur / Chirac
2002: Chirac (or Madelin) / Chirac
2007: Sarközy / Sarközy

Unless anything changes, I'm still planning on (actually) voting CPNT in the first round and Sarközy in the runoff unless Strauss-Kahn or some other sane person is the Socialist candidate.

I would rather eat sh**t than vote for Mitterrand, Besancenot, Trots, Voynet, Bayrou, Tixier-Vignancour. Would rather blow myself up than vote Le Pen, Royal, Megret, Debré.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 01:09:38 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2009, 02:21:19 PM by Antonio V »

Why a similar hatred for Mitterrand ? He certainly was anything but honest, he didn't hesitate to betray a great part of his promises. But he's certainly not the worse politician of his time, and some of the reforms he led are great progresses.
As a result, you almost every time vote for the right, even for Chirac and Sarkozy... Can't really understand... Even Jospin is worse than the right for you ? Huh
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 05:01:22 PM »

1965: Lecanuet/Mitterrand

1969: Pompidou/Pompidou

1974: Chaban-Delmas (or Muller ?)/Mitterrand

1981: Crépeau/Mitterrand

1988: Barre/Mitterrand

1995:Jospin/Jospin

2002: Taubira (even if I was a great fan of Jospin)/Chirac

2007: Voynet/Write-in "Jesus Christ help us".

Some commentaries:

I'm a kind of soft libertarian, and since there is no party in France for me and my fellow hippies, I vote for a man (well, a not-too-far-of-the-center man) more than for the candidate of a party.

First, I hate de Gaulle more than anything. I'm politically the opposite of him on economic, social and inernational issues. And I don't like his accent. Pompidou was not a so bad President, and oddly I like his "rooted in the soil" side.

I really don't like Mitterrand as a President (note I never chose him on the first round), but his personality was fascinating. And since I hate even more VGE and I consider Chirac as a sympathic but ineffective, my rewards go to intelligence.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 07:08:56 PM »

So you are a rightist in a leftist family ? Cheesy
Yep, but my parents became rightists after I myself dropped the left (Mendès and Rocard were my heroes).

With the definitive breaking of French education system under Jospin (after huge cracks under Edgar Faure, VGE and Savary), with the Yugoslav wars and revisionist and awful behaviours of Mitterrand (and Major), I began to vote for the right.
So, I was twenty.

I voted socialist only once, in a cantonale in 1988...
And Green in 1989 for the European elections.
After, I became a rightist, one year after I entered Sciences-Po.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 07:18:08 PM »

1965: Lecanuet/Mitterrand

1969: Pompidou/Pompidou

1974: Chaban-Delmas (or Muller ?)/Mitterrand

1981: Crépeau/Mitterrand

1988: Barre/Mitterrand

1995:Jospin/Jospin

2002: Taubira (even if I was a great fan of Jospin)/Chirac

2007: Voynet/Write-in "Jesus Christ help us".

Some commentaries:

I'm a kind of soft libertarian, and since there is no party in France for me and my fellow hippies, I vote for a man (well, a not-too-far-of-the-center man) more than for the candidate of a party.

First, I hate de Gaulle more than anything. I'm politically the opposite of him on economic, social and inernational issues. And I don't like his accent. Pompidou was not a so bad President, and oddly I like his "rooted in the soil" side.

I really don't like Mitterrand as a President (note I never chose him on the first round), but his personality was fascinating. And since I hate even more VGE and I consider Chirac as a sympathic but ineffective, my rewards go to intelligence.


René Dumont in 1974 ?

Marcel Barbu in 1965 ("Votez Barbu, Barbu n'est pas un traître") ?
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2009, 08:44:36 PM »

1965: Mitterrand
1969: Rocard/Poher
1974: Mitterrand
1981: Marchais/Mitterrand
1988: Lajoinie/Mitterrand
1995: Hue/Jospin
2002: Hue/Chirac
2007: Buffet/Royal
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 03:26:37 AM »

So you are a rightist in a leftist family ? Cheesy
Yep, but my parents became rightists after I myself dropped the left (Mendès and Rocard were my heroes).

With the definitive breaking of French education system under Jospin (after huge cracks under Edgar Faure, VGE and Savary), with the Yugoslav wars and revisionist and awful behaviours of Mitterrand (and Major), I began to vote for the right.
So, I was twenty.

I voted socialist only once, in a cantonale in 1988...
And Green in 1989 for the European elections.
After, I became a rightist, one year after I entered Sciences-Po.

Interesting political travel. Wink I probably agree with you on the school system, but the guilt for his failure is in my opinion equitably shared by left and right. Do you think Darcos reforms are going in the right sense ? About Yugoslavia, I don't understand what you mean by "revisionnist views", could you explain me ?
And, last but not the least : If you were a leftist, you probably kept some leftist views in some domains. So I find a bit strange to see you as a republican, considering that there is a lot of "UMP democrats" here. Someone who chooses the GOP in the USA can't be just a moderate rightist in France.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 06:51:03 AM »

Marcel Barbu in 1965 ("Votez Barbu, Barbu n'est pas un traître") ?

Marcel Barbu, le candidat des chiens battus?
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 12:58:33 PM »
« Edited: June 20, 2009, 01:00:07 PM by Hans-im-Glück »

1965 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1969 : Krivine/Poher
1974 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1981 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1988 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1995 : Jospin/Jospin
2002 : Jospin/Chirac
2007 : Royal/Royal

1969: in the second turn it's possible i stay at home.

2002: I'm not a fan of Chirac, but all is better like the fascist Le Pen
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 04:05:24 PM »

So you are a rightist in a leftist family ? Cheesy
Yep, but my parents became rightists after I myself dropped the left (Mendès and Rocard were my heroes).

With the definitive breaking of French education system under Jospin (after huge cracks under Edgar Faure, VGE and Savary), with the Yugoslav wars and revisionist and awful behaviours of Mitterrand (and Major), I began to vote for the right.
So, I was twenty.

I voted socialist only once, in a cantonale in 1988...
And Green in 1989 for the European elections.
After, I became a rightist, one year after I entered Sciences-Po.

Interesting political travel. Wink I probably agree with you on the school system, but the guilt for his failure is in my opinion equitably shared by left and right. Do you think Darcos reforms are going in the right sense ? About Yugoslavia, I don't understand what you mean by "revisionnist views", could you explain me ?
And, last but not the least : If you were a leftist, you probably kept some leftist views in some domains. So I find a bit strange to see you as a republican, considering that there is a lot of "UMP democrats" here. Someone who chooses the GOP in the USA can't be just a moderate rightist in France.

Mitterrand viewed Yugoslavia with a WW1 and WW2 mind (some on this forum do the same, BTW...): Serbia is an ally and Croatia is a fascist state...
And he thought Germany was responsible for the mess as they recognized Slovenia and Croatia... But they were entitled to leave and democratic referendums were strongly in favour.
Milosevic was the BIG responsible, no one else more or on a par with him.

I chose to be a Republican on this forum because values are very important for me (famille, honneur, patrie, respect d'autrui et du monde, respect de la liberté des autres: all these words aren't fascist for me, they mean something), because I'm opposed to gay marriage, because I'm opposed to genetic manipulations of all sorts.
I'm also a small government one.

But not in GOP proportions of course (oh, in fact, Bush was a big government guy...)

But I'm not in favour of death penalty, neither in favour of guns.
And Bush's foreign policy was a huge mistake and mess. And public finances were awful due to this and to him.

So, in the States, I would be a moderate GOPer (even if I can go up to Romney) or a Blue Dog Democrat.

I'm like Boutin on values (even on smooth values on "humanism" and aid towards the poor), like Juppé on economic policy, like Sarkozy on public service, like Fillon on schools, like Delors-DSK-Nouveau Centre-Barnier on Europe, like Mendès-France on political ethics, like... nobody on foreign policy.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2009, 04:57:51 AM »

Thanks for these precisions. Wink Quite interesting views, even if I can't bear Boutin... I think as you about Yugoslavia, anyways.
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2009, 03:14:45 PM »

Thanks for these precisions. Wink Quite interesting views, even if I can't bear Boutin... I think as you about Yugoslavia, anyways.

Boutin is a bad minister and a bad politician. It's just to give you an easy way to understand: Boutin is a value-fighter but a social and humane one (don't see her only through the PACS debate), whereas Villiers is a mad, narcissic and out-of-date guy.

My average position may be around or between Barnier, Juppé and Fillon (also on personalities BTW, as I am not a Sarko-fan and I hate mads like Villepin).
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2009, 08:14:11 AM »

Thanks for these precisions. Wink Quite interesting views, even if I can't bear Boutin... I think as you about Yugoslavia, anyways.

Boutin is a bad minister and a bad politician. It's just to give you an easy way to understand: Boutin is a value-fighter but a social and humane one (don't see her only through the PACS debate), whereas Villiers is a mad, narcissic and out-of-date guy.

Yes, I understood. Wink I personally think there's not need to be a social reactionnary to be a social and humane person. So I have to judge her for her social views, and that's why I can't bear what she says.
Anyways, I love the "social and human" politicians of UMP who are destroying public services, hunting immigrates, and now want people to work when they are sick. Cheesy Ah, wasn't boutin who recently "softened" the "20% de logements sociaux" law ?
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2009, 07:21:48 PM »

Interesting bunch of choices there.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2009, 04:47:05 PM »

2007 : Sarkozy.

Mainly because I like the guy and because IDK anyone else lol
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2009, 06:12:07 PM »

2007 : Sarkozy.

Mainly because I like the guy and because IDK anyone else lol

Go troll elsewhere, retard. Retards are not allowed in this thread.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2010, 12:18:24 AM »

1965:Mitterand/De Gaulle
1969:Pompidou/Pompidou
1974:Mitterand/Mitterand
1981:Mitterand/Mitterand
1988:Mitterand/Mitterand
1995:Jospin/Jospin
2002:Jospin/Chirac
2007:Bayrou/Sarkozy
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2010, 08:05:08 AM »

When will people realize that Bayrou is not a centrist but instead an opportunistic flip-flopping power-hungry attention whore? His only consistent ideology is complaining about the events of the day and blaming the left and right for his failure. You know folks, there's a reason why his party holds all of 10 seats in all 26 regional councils which have like 1800 seats to themselves. France has finally realized what Bayrou really is, now foreigners must also realize who he is, but Wikipedia's nice little article of bullsh**t won't help.
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2010, 04:32:13 PM »

Well, admit that chosing between Sarkozy, Royal and Bayrou isn't easy. Wink
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2011, 07:55:33 PM »

1965: Mitterrand / Mitterand
1969: Rocard/Poher
1974: Mitterrand / Mitterand
1981: Mitterand/Mitterrand
1988: Mitterand/Mitterrand
1995: Jospin/Jospin
2002: Jospin/Chirac
2007: Royal/Royal

Again, quite boring ! Parliamentarily, I may have flirted with Mendes France Radicals and Chaban Delmas Gaullists, but to the core I am a Socialist.

My voting pattern could drift into unexpected directions only ...well, in Ireland, where I'd probably support Fianna Fail, and in Flemish Belgium, where I'd vote VLD, mainly for Verhofstadt.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2011, 02:01:26 PM »

Presidential Elections
1958: Charles de Gaulle
1965: Jean Lecanuet/Charles de Gaulle
1969: Alain Poher/Alain Poher
1974: Valery Giscard d'Estaing/Valery Giscard d'Estaing
1981: Valery Giscard d'Estaing/Valery Giscard d'Estaing
1988: Raymond Barre/Francois Mitterand
1995: Lionel Jospin/Lionel Jospin
2002: Francois Bayrou/Jacques Chirac
2007: Francois Bayrou/Nicolas Sarkozy
Parliamentary Elections
1958: MRP
1962: MRP
1967: PDM
1968: PDM
1973: MR
1978: UDF
1981: UDF
1986: RPR-UDF Union
1988: UDF
1993: UDF
1997: UDF
2002: UDF
2007: MoDem
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2011, 02:09:06 PM »

Also, re-posting my legislative votes :

BTW, what about legislative elections ? For me, it'd be something like :

1945 : SFIO
1946 (june) : SFIO
1946 (nov) : SFIO

1951 : Some protest vote
1956 : Radicals (in the Republican Front)
1958 : UFD
1962 : PSU
1967 : PSU
1968 : PSU

1973 : PS
1978 : PS
1981 : PS
1986 : PS
1988 : PS
1993 : PS
1997 : PS
2002 : PS
2007 : PS


I know, the end is boring... Tongue
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