Mark Sanford goes missing

[Communists For McCain]

How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

"It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Political_actions

lol

Even if Mark Sanford didn't campaign on Jesus stuff it doesn't void his hypocripsy.
Sanford libertarian? His voting record says differently: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
I'm sick and tired of Republicans thinking they can get away with labeling anybody libertarian.

[Tender Branson]

How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

"It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Political_actions

lol

Even if Mark Sanford didn't campaign on Jesus stuff it doesn't void his hypocripsy.
Sanford libertarian? His voting record says differently: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
I'm sick and tired of Republicans thinking they can get away with labeling anybody libertarian.

I didn't say he's not a hypocrite.  What I'm saying is that he focused more on fiscal issues than social issues.  And since when did libertarianism become about abortion and gay marriage?

[Hashemite]

Is his mistress Cristina Fernández de Kirchner?

[Keystone Phil]

Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Then that means he's just a phoney. He never really focused on that stuff before.

I don't think any politician in South Carolina, much more a Republican, can go very far without pandering the James Dobson crowd.

That doesn't prove anything.

How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

"It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Political_actions

lol

Even if Mark Sanford didn't campaign on Jesus stuff it doesn't void his hypocripsy.
Sanford libertarian? His voting record says differently: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
I'm sick and tired of Republicans thinking they can get away with labeling anybody libertarian.

I didn't say he's not a hypocrite.  What I'm saying is that he focused more on fiscal issues than social issues.  And since when did libertarianism become about abortion and gay marriage?

Bingo

Also, Mechaman, you posted one quote from him about faith. I can find quotes from liberal Democrats about faith.

He wasn't focused on a "Jesus Platform" as Governor or even as a candidate.

[Aizen]

This is quite funny.


Another one bites the dust.

[??????????]

Another one bites the dust.

Yep.

[Communists For McCain]

Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Then that means he's just a phoney. He never really focused on that stuff before.

I don't think any politician in South Carolina, much more a Republican, can go very far without pandering the James Dobson crowd.

That doesn't prove anything.

How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

"It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Political_actions

lol

Even if Mark Sanford didn't campaign on Jesus stuff it doesn't void his hypocripsy.
Sanford libertarian? His voting record says differently: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
I'm sick and tired of Republicans thinking they can get away with labeling anybody libertarian.

I didn't say he's not a hypocrite.  What I'm saying is that he focused more on fiscal issues than social issues.  And since when did libertarianism become about abortion and gay marriage?

Bingo

Also, Mechaman, you posted one quote from him about faith. I can find quotes from liberal Democrats about faith.

He wasn't focused on a "Jesus Platform" as Governor or even as a candidate.

Okay Keystone Phil, give me a quote from a liberal Democrat about living out his faith in his daily life and then having an affair. If you find me one who said something like Sanford said and who also had an affair, give me their name and I'll write hypocrite next to it.

And Vanderblubb, when the hell did libertarianism become what Republicans say it is?

[Grumps]

Sanford should resign or be impeached because he lied and had total disregard for his duties as Governor.

This

[Keystone Phil]

Okay Keystone Phil, give me a quote from a liberal Democrat about living out his faith in his daily life and then having an affair. If you find me one who said something like Sanford said and who also had an affair, give me their name and I'll write hypocrite next to it.

Clinton never said anything about faith in his life? John Edwards? Come on, dude.

Sanford is a phoney because he's suddenly playing the faith card. He wasn't known for emphasizing it before. That's all I'm saying.

[Communists For McCain]

Okay Keystone Phil, give me a quote from a liberal Democrat about living out his faith in his daily life and then having an affair. If you find me one who said something like Sanford said and who also had an affair, give me their name and I'll write hypocrite next to it.

Clinton never said anything about faith in his life? John Edwards? Come on, dude.

Sanford is a phoney because he's suddenly playing the faith card. He wasn't known for emphasizing it before. That's all I'm saying.

Clinton (hypocrite) John Edwards (hypocrite)

I will admit Sanford doesn't seem like the kind to campaign on social issues, but I think any Christian or anybody who claims that cheating on your wife is wrong or follows that philosophy and then cheats on their wife, is a hypocrite. If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

[paul718]

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

Source?

[memphis]

I completely don't understand all the fascination with random politicians' sexual exploits. Especially considering how many times we've played this game in the last decade. Outside of his family, who gives a crap?

[Keystone Phil]

If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.

[Wiz from Wis in Mass]

If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.

As an atheist ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[paul718]

I will admit Sanford doesn't seem like the kind to campaign on social issues, but I think any Christian or anybody who claims that cheating on your wife is wrong or follows that philosophy and then cheats on their wife, is a hypocrite. If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

So, a Christian who sins is a hypocrite?  Catholics have a sacrament called "confession"...are all Catholics hypocrites?

[Keystone Phil]

So, a Christian who sins is a hypocrite?

Please don't even try to engage someone on this. I tried earlier.

[Communists For McCain]

If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.

But they don't have an invisible daddy to ask forgiveness from!

Oh hell, there goes my atheist bias.

[Iosif]

s off for days to Argentina without telling anyone to  some tramp.

Love it. My hero.

[paul718]

s off for days to Argentina without telling anyone to  some tramp.

...during Father's Day.

[Aizen]

To be fair, Argentina is known for beautiful women.

[Iosif]

The balls. It's just so brazen.

What a guy. I think I'm in love.

[JSojourner]

If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.

But they don't have an invisible daddy to ask forgiveness from!

Close.  They (we) have a friend, advocate and mediator who has said -- "if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

The problem is not with the idea of forgiveness and confession.  It's with the idea advanced by some that certain sinners are more "forgiven" than others. 

I speak, of course, of those of us who live and move in a Christian milieu.  I recognize my Atheist and many of my non-Christian friends approach issues of guilt and sin quite differently and I respect their right to do so.

[Citizen James]

His old quotes may come back to haunt him.

“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust,” he told CNN. “And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything.

[ilikeverin]

From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062403062_2.html?sid=ST2009062403065

This evening, The State newspaper in Columbia released some of the e-mails between Sanford and the woman that it said it had been holding since December. The paper reported that a McClatchy correspondent in Buenos Aires today found the woman, whom it identified only by her first name, Maria, and that she declined to comment.

In an e-mail July 10, Sanford sent Maria an update about his world travels, before mentioning speculation about his being picked as  John McCain's running mate and then praising about her beauty and telling her how much he missed her.

"You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty," he wrote. "I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips . . . but hey, that would be going into sexual details," he wrote. "How in the world this lightening strike snuck up on us I am still not quite sure."

He added, "I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before -- so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know. . . . In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul."

Overall decent prose, though the "hey, that's getting into sexual details" obviously completely breaks the mood.  Uses most "SAT-level-words" appropriately though his "digression" isn't really a digression, per se; a couple typos but since the medium is email those can be excused somewhat.  However, he does a good job of trodding over familiar ground ("You're hot, girl.") while still avoiding some of the worst cliches, and making sure to compliment her personality as much as her looks (and her looks without being crass or juvenile).

Full story: http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

Too lazy to critique it all atm, but goodness it gets a bit worse when read verbatim rather than just extracts.

[YRABNNRM]

Releasing personal e-mails is quite unnecessary.