The Atlasian Sentinel Amendment Referendum Tracker [Updated 7/3 9:23 PM East]

[tmthforu94]

Let's not make a mountain of a molehill, not like you did before, hm?

Wait, I made a mountain of a molehill??? I'm pretty sure that was you...
He asked why he should vote one way or the other, so I answered my thoughts. You are the one building mountains by continuing to confront me about this amendment.

[Purple State]

Let's not make a mountain of a molehill, not like you did before, hm?

Wait, I made a mountain of a molehill??? I'm pretty sure that was you...

That didn't address the rest of Marokai's points.

[tmthforu94]

Let's not make a mountain of a molehill, not like you did before, hm?

Wait, I made a mountain of a molehill??? I'm pretty sure that was you...

That didn't address the rest of Marokai's points.

I'm not going to waste time addressing his points. He makes some good points, and I think I make some good points. The difference is, I'm not going to attack someone just for disagreeing with me.

[Purple State]

Let's not make a mountain of a molehill, not like you did before, hm?

Wait, I made a mountain of a molehill??? I'm pretty sure that was you...

That didn't address the rest of Marokai's points.

I'm not going to waste time addressing his points. He makes some good points, and I think I make some good points. The difference is, I'm not going to attack someone just for disagreeing with me.

You can keep pointing back to his little explosion earlier, or you can back your points up. I would imagine that you would do better actually explaining your view, rather than using a low point in the debate as your fallback.

[tmthforu94]

Let's not make a mountain of a molehill, not like you did before, hm?

Wait, I made a mountain of a molehill??? I'm pretty sure that was you...

That didn't address the rest of Marokai's points.

I'm not going to waste time addressing his points. He makes some good points, and I think I make some good points. The difference is, I'm not going to attack someone just for disagreeing with me.

You can keep pointing back to his little explosion earlier, or you can back your points up. I would imagine that you would do better actually explaining your view, rather than using a low point in the debate as your fallback.

I've made my points several times, and I've stated why I feel that way. I think taking the chance on people is part of Democracy, making it more exciting. If Atlasia messes up, and gets someone who wasnt ready, they'll learn from that, and make sure to make the correct decision next time. I doubt that will even happen though, as Atlasia is smart as a whole, and isn't going to elect an inexperieced dummy to the Senate.
Also, this isn't a debate. This is both sides convincing someone to take their side. I'd call it, a persuasive essay.

[Purple State]

Let's not make a mountain of a molehill, not like you did before, hm?

Wait, I made a mountain of a molehill??? I'm pretty sure that was you...

That didn't address the rest of Marokai's points.

I'm not going to waste time addressing his points. He makes some good points, and I think I make some good points. The difference is, I'm not going to attack someone just for disagreeing with me.

You can keep pointing back to his little explosion earlier, or you can back your points up. I would imagine that you would do better actually explaining your view, rather than using a low point in the debate as your fallback.

I've made my points several times, and I've stated why I feel that way. I think taking the chance on people is part of Democracy, making it more exciting. If Atlasia messes up, and gets someone who wasnt ready, they'll learn from that, and make sure to make the correct decision next time. I doubt that will even happen though, as Atlasia is smart as a whole, and isn't going to elect an inexperieced dummy to the Senate.
Also, this isn't a debate. This is both sides convincing someone to take their side. I'd call it, a persuasive essay.

The point isn't really that Atlasia won't elect such a person. It is that certain people just aren't ready for it. Look at yourself. You royally screwed up in your first run for Senate and ended up leading to a massive controversy that harmed the game. All because you just weren't familiar enough and experienced enough to know what was right.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I've made my points several times, and I've stated why I feel that way. I think taking the chance on people is part of Democracy, making it more exciting. If Atlasia messes up, and gets someone who wasnt ready, they'll learn from that, and make sure to make the correct decision next time.

I think that's a fairly dumb way to run things. All this does is basically makes sure people have to wait the rough equivalent of an election cycle before they can run for those offices. These people can still run for regional legislatures if they exist, such as the Mideast Assembly, or regional executive branches, and can still be appointed to cabinet offices or argue court cases if they come up and they're trusted with doing so. Also, they can still work for reform outside of the system as several people have done. Placing an age limit on Senate and Presidential races roughly the equivalent of an election cycle does not destroy democracy or limit participation. In fact, it could very well encourage it.

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Well, I wouldn't be so sure, given that if circumstances were slightly different, you and/or Ogis could've ended up in the Senate.

[tmthforu94]

Let's not make a mountain of a molehill, not like you did before, hm?

Wait, I made a mountain of a molehill??? I'm pretty sure that was you...

That didn't address the rest of Marokai's points.

I'm not going to waste time addressing his points. He makes some good points, and I think I make some good points. The difference is, I'm not going to attack someone just for disagreeing with me.

You can keep pointing back to his little explosion earlier, or you can back your points up. I would imagine that you would do better actually explaining your view, rather than using a low point in the debate as your fallback.

I've made my points several times, and I've stated why I feel that way. I think taking the chance on people is part of Democracy, making it more exciting. If Atlasia messes up, and gets someone who wasnt ready, they'll learn from that, and make sure to make the correct decision next time. I doubt that will even happen though, as Atlasia is smart as a whole, and isn't going to elect an inexperieced dummy to the Senate.
Also, this isn't a debate. This is both sides convincing someone to take their side. I'd call it, a persuasive essay.

The point isn't really that Atlasia won't elect such a person. It is that certain people just aren't ready for it. Look at yourself. You royally screwed up in your first run for Senate and ended up leading to a massive controversy that harmed the game. All because you just weren't familiar enough and experienced enough to know what was right.

I agree 100% that I wasn't ready, and shouldn't have run. But I'm not sure how it led to a massive controversy...
Some people could be ready though, after a while. I had only been in Atlasia for a couple weeks when it happened. Someone who had been on for a couple months would know a lot more. I mean, would I be ready for the Senate now? Probably. Would I be ready for President? Heck no. There can also be people who've been on Atlas a long time, and have thousands of posts, but that doesn't mean they are ready for Atlasia. That's why I think it would be a smarter idea to require someone to have a certain amount of posts in the "Atlas Fantasy elections" subforum (This board and Government board) to qualify for President or Senate. That, would help make more educated members run, and keep uneducated people (like I was in Senate election) away until they make enough posts here. (It would also possibly increase activity on this board )

[Marokai Backbeat]

There's not enough reason to post here alot outside an election week/two weeks. Requiring a post requirement in this specific forum would make it harder to join and run. That's senseless.

[tmthforu94]

There's not enough reason to post here alot outside an election week/two weeks. Requiring a post requirement in this specific forum would make it harder to join and run. That's senseless.

It's just a suggestion. If no one ever came up with idea's, where would our world be? What if the idea to create Atlasia had never been proposed?
It's probably not brilliant, but it would be like, 25 posts for Senator, 50 for President. Just to prevent someone who has never even posted here to run.

[Marokai Backbeat]

There's not enough reason to post here alot outside an election week/two weeks. Requiring a post requirement in this specific forum would make it harder to join and run. That's senseless.

It's just a suggestion. If no one ever came up with idea's, where would our world be? What if the idea to create Atlasia had never been proposed?
It's probably not brilliant, but it would be like, 25 posts for Senator, 50 for President. Just to prevent someone who has never even posted here to run.

Well, no, it's certainly not brilliant. All that would do is lead to alot of spamming on this board alone and we end up with the same problem we have now. Overall posting requirements are the best way to ensure people post at least something of quality once in awhile, and if they want to join Atlasia or already have, chances are they're going to pop in once in awhile anyway.

Also, this still has nothing to do with your complaining about time limits earlier, what happened to that?

[cinyc]

Thanks to all for the input.  It was very helpful.

I agree 100% that I wasn't ready, and shouldn't have run. But I'm not sure how it led to a massive controversy...
Some people could be ready though, after a while. I had only been in Atlasia for a couple weeks when it happened. Someone who had been on for a couple months would know a lot more. I mean, would I be ready for the Senate now? Probably. Would I be ready for President? Heck no. There can also be people who've been on Atlas a long time, and have thousands of posts, but that doesn't mean they are ready for Atlasia. That's why I think it would be a smarter idea to require someone to have a certain amount of posts in the "Atlas Fantasy elections" subforum (This board and Government board) to qualify for President or Senate. That, would help make more educated members run, and keep uneducated people (like I was in Senate election) away until they make enough posts here. (It would also possibly increase activity on this board )

I'm not sure how a posts on the Atlasia Fantasy Elections subforum requirement would work.  It seems to discriminate in favor of the political class, who are more apt to post on this subforum, than us mere voters - whose main activity on the subforum may be just to vote in elections until a particular issue causes us to run for election.   Getting 100 or 500 posts on this subforum would be extremely difficult for those of us not in any elective office, but easy for someone already debating in the Senate.

I can understand why we'd want to have an age requirement for registered voters (to minimize puppet fraud),  but I think 50 posts might be too high a bar for legitimate new voters (if the puppets can make 25 meaningless posts, they easily can make 50).  I'm not as convinced we need age requirements for elective officeholders.  If posters want to make fools of themselves by running too soon, let them.  On the other hand, we have age requirements for Senators and Presidents in the U.S., so I'm not as concerned about it as I might otherwise be.

I think I'm probably going to vote aye on this once the Northeast booth opens up.

[Purple State]

I think I'm probably going to vote aye on this once the Northeast booth opens up.

Good, and let's hope that is soon.

Regarding posts in this forum, it is just hard to keep track of that. Making the SoFA go through each member's posts to figure this out is unfeasible.

[cinyc]

I think I'm probably going to vote aye on this once the Northeast booth opens up.

Good, and let's hope that is soon.

Regarding posts in this forum, it is just hard to keep track of that. Making the SoFA go through each member's posts to figure this out is unfeasible.

I thought it would be tough to do, too - but then I looked at my profile page and noticed the statistics tab.  There's a column there for most popular posts by board - as long as the number od posts on this sub-forum are in the top 10 of all subforums, it should show up... 

[minionofmidas]

I very much approve of the registration provision - in fact, I'd have used a somewhat longer time. Atlasia should be a plaything for people who're on the forum anyways, not the other way round.
Should the amendment fail, I hope it comes back in this reduced form.

I don't approve of the stuff below. I am not certain that it's particularly relevant in practice, which is why I have not voted yet.

[Јas]

Yeah, pretty much agree with Lewis on the registration provisions.
I'm fairly ambivalent towards the office holding requirements.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Anything I can do to convince you otherwise? I mean, as I've said, it basically just mandates a slightly longer period than a traditional election cycle (depending on the office) before they can run for it/hold it. By the time "Atlasian A" finds himself with the registration requirements, the fulfilled posts, and an election cycle rolls around, his requirements are probably going to be filled anyhow. In either case, I don't see why there's a reason to oppose it outright.

Also, these things will only affect two offices anyway. It doesn't affect regional legislatures or Governor or Lt. Governor, or any cabinet position, or being able to push their own ideas as citizens whether it be with a newspaper or joining the Constitutional Convention, however long it lasts. There's a wealth of things someone can do if they're actually serious about being in Atlasia.

[Purple State]

I would agree to an ensuing amendment that reduces the office holding provisions back to normal and slightly raises the time/posting limits for joining.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I would agree to an ensuing amendment that reduces the office holding provisions back to normal and slightly raises the time/posting limits for joining.

Hey, quiet, it's not dead yet

[Хahar 🤔]

Well, I wouldn't be so sure, given that if circumstances were slightly different, you and/or Ogis could've ended up in the Senate.

Saving Atlasia from itself? My god, really?

[Purple State]

I swear if this fails in the Mideast...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I swear if this fails in the Mideast...

Well at least we are doing our part in the South.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I swear if this fails in the Mideast...

Well at least we are doing our part in the South.

I'm still shocked you guys are the sensible ones in this scenario

[Barnes]

What happens if there is a majority of Abstentions?

[Marokai Backbeat]

What happens if there is a majority of Abstentions?

Failure, I believe.