Not Another OSPR Amendment (Failed)

[MasterJedi]

Not Another OSPR Amendment

Article IV, Section 4 shall hereby include the following as Clause 2, with subsequent clauses renumbered accordingly:

2. Any Senator may designate, during times of announced absence, a fellow member of the Senate to cast votes by proxy on amendments to legislation during said leave. Proxy designation shall only be accepted by public post and shall specify whether it be applicable to all relevant or only specifically identified pieces of legislation. Proxy designation shall last for the period determined by public post, or until the absent Senator has removed such designation by public post, or upon the beginning of a new Senate session, whichever comes first.
Spon: Sen. PurpleState

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You know I offered to let you guys take care of all of these as part of my reform to the OSPR, all you had to do was offer them as Amendments and I would have accepted them as friendly. Well I guess there what ever it takes to increase the number of passed bills, make the Senate look like its doing something.

[MasterJedi]

You know I offered to let you guys take care of all of these as part of my reform to the OSPR, all you had to do was offer them as Amendments and I would have accepted them as friendly. Well I guess there what ever it takes to increase the number of passed bills, make the Senate look like its doing something.

I myself prefer to tackle different issues seperatly.

[Purple State]

You know I offered to let you guys take care of all of these as part of my reform to the OSPR, all you had to do was offer them as Amendments and I would have accepted them as friendly. Well I guess there what ever it takes to increase the number of passed bills, make the Senate look like its doing something.

I myself prefer to tackle different issues seperatly.

Same. I almost added it to one of your pieces, MJ, but I realized they had nothing to do with each other and I didn't want it to slow down other needed reform.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You know I offered to let you guys take care of all of these as part of my reform to the OSPR, all you had to do was offer them as Amendments and I would have accepted them as friendly. Well I guess there what ever it takes to increase the number of passed bills, make the Senate look like its doing something.

I myself prefer to tackle different issues seperatly.

I can understand that.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Whoa whoa whoa, I just noticed this and I'm upset that I missed it this long. This does what?

I'm sorry, if a Senator is absent then the Senator is absent. This is not a bright idea at all. This essentially makes sure that almost no vacancies ever happen again and that Senators can delegate their responsibilities to others whenever they like. No no no.

[Purple State]

Whoa whoa whoa, I just noticed this and I'm upset that I missed it this long. This does what?

I'm sorry, if a Senator is absent then the Senator is absent. This is not a bright idea at all. This essentially makes sure that almost no vacancies ever happen again and that Senators can delegate their responsibilities to others whenever they like. No no no.

If a Senator provides a leave of absence notice, I don't believe we should be stuck without the necessary votes to move legislation, nor do I believe Atlasians should be without representation.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Whoa whoa whoa, I just noticed this and I'm upset that I missed it this long. This does what?

I'm sorry, if a Senator is absent then the Senator is absent. This is not a bright idea at all. This essentially makes sure that almost no vacancies ever happen again and that Senators can delegate their responsibilities to others whenever they like. No no no.

If a Senator provides a leave of absence notice, I don't believe we should be stuck without the necessary votes to move legislation, nor do I believe Atlasians should be without representation.

Delegating responsibilities to an un-elected official though? I have rather serious concerns about that. People who are going to be away for weeks should know better than to run for office, and if it's an unexpected vacancy (such as a blizzard or a serious illness, or something) some people probably won't be able to delegate responsibilities to others. This amendment just makes me rather uncomfortable.

[Purple State]

Whoa whoa whoa, I just noticed this and I'm upset that I missed it this long. This does what?

I'm sorry, if a Senator is absent then the Senator is absent. This is not a bright idea at all. This essentially makes sure that almost no vacancies ever happen again and that Senators can delegate their responsibilities to others whenever they like. No no no.

If a Senator provides a leave of absence notice, I don't believe we should be stuck without the necessary votes to move legislation, nor do I believe Atlasians should be without representation.

Delegating responsibilities to an un-elected official though? I have rather serious concerns about that. People who are going to be away for weeks should know better than to run for office, and if it's an unexpected vacancy (such as a blizzard or a serious illness, or something) some people probably won't be able to delegate responsibilities to others. This amendment just makes me rather uncomfortable.

It specifically delegates it to a fellow elected official. And if the people voted for the Senator, they should trust that he would delegate his vote to the right person. It's not that you have to do it either, if you don't trust anyone. Or only trust someone on a few things.

[Franzl]

I'm also not very comfortable with this, to be perfectly honest.

Perhaps we could avoid delegating senatorial duties to a fellow official....and simply allow people to post votes in advance on legislation and amendments to legislation.

Like if I know I'm going to be gone for a week, but I'd like to cast my vote before the 3 days are up...that I be able to state that in the thread and have it be counted.

[Meeker]

I'm kind of uneasy about this, FWIW.

[Fritz]

I agree that this is a bad idea.

[Purple State]

It is only for amendments, rather than final passage of a bill. It would be similar to the current US Senate, which allows proxy votes for markup, but not on final votes.

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up a final vote on this resolution. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Franzl]

Yeah I have to vote NAY for right now....I wish I had officially introduced my amendment in time. Sorry.

[MaxQue]

Nay

[MasterJedi]

But wait, I can stop the final vote now legally? Shall I so you can introduce your amendment?

[Purple State]

This is optional. I'm not forcing anyone to provide a proxy vote.

Aye.

And I believe you can MJ.

[MasterJedi]

This is optional. I'm not forcing anyone to provide a proxy vote.

Aye.

And I believe you can MJ.

I can but I won't. Franzl's leaving in 5 min. and won't have enough time to actually write it.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Nay, I don't like the idea of any sort of proxy voting or even pre-emptive voting. If you miss a vote, you miss it, sorry.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't like this as written so

Nay

[tmthforu94]

Nay. I agree with Marokai. If you miss a vote, well, it sucks for you. Too bad.

[Purple State]

This is an easy way to ensure that we get the necessary votes to move legislation through the process. As people go on leaves it makes it more difficult to get legislation to final votes because so few votes turn out. This is a sensible way to have the voice of the people heard.

A shame that no one agrees.

[Hash]

Abstain

[Fritz]

Nay