Does Obama stand a chance in Michigan?

[Zarn]

Obama is going to win it. Michigan is brain dead. Obama can televise himself flipping off Michigan on a map everyday (CNN would help there and would likely spin it), screw with GM some more, and unemployment could reach 25% in the state itself, and he would still win it.

[CJK]

Michigan is only as Democratic as North Carolina was Republican in 2004 so it can be won if Romney wins by 7.

[5280]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

[Democratic Hawk]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership

[Zarn]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership

They still failed, and now we have less economic independence. Lose-Lose.

[5280]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership

They still failed, and now we have less economic independence. Lose-Lose.

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

[Lief 🗽]

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SAFE REPUBLICAN

[War on Want]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership

They still failed, and now we have less economic independence. Lose-Lose.

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

Michigan would be doing worse in a Republican presidency...

[Democratic Hawk]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership

They still failed, and now we have less economic independence. Lose-Lose.

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

Michigan would be doing worse in a Republican presidency...

Maybe Magnetic Free just harkers back to the 'Roaring Twenties' and the minimal statist ideal that was Calvin Coolidge (complete with the huge differentials of wealth of that era), who snored (and farted) all the while sowing the seeds of the 'Great Depression'

[Rob]

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SAFE REPUBLICAN

Two words: Bradley Effect.

[pbrower2a]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership

They still failed, and now we have less economic independence. Lose-Lose.

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

What if they see some improvement (auto sales rebound) while Obama  is President? Michigan is about dead-center... within the Blue Firewall, that is. It is farther from going Republican than Texas is from going Democratic. As it is, more cars are being scrapped than being made in a time in which people need cars no less than they used to. They may be driving less, but the lesser driving is a reduction in recreational driving. Such bodes well for a revived auto industry.

Michigan is essentially Minnesota or Wisconsin politically, except with more blacks. Michigan seemed a possible pickup for John McCain -- until the Hard Right left some doubt over who would be the real boss in a McCain Presidency.

I fully understand what the Right suggests for Michigan: tax "reform" that would shift taxes from the state income tax to a huge sales tax, sale of the expressway system to profiteering monopolies, and a Right-to-Work (for much less) law. In short, Michigan would become Texas with nasty winters. Workers would end up with higher taxes and lower wages, and no certainty of more work.

Guess what? That is no solution to a state with a very cyclical economy. Texas has the same boom-and-bust cycle with petroleum.

Even in good times, Detroit is a big problem because of its machine-boss government and related corruption. Such corruption would not be removed with tax "reform", sell-off of public assets, or a Right-to-Starve law.  The political crooks would still have their fingers in others' pockets. Rural Michigan, which has many of the auto suppliers and tool-and-die shops, reels too. Methamphetamine activity flourishes.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Silly thread. The unemployed always vote Democrat, and Michigan has an abundance of them right now. The Republicans stand no chance in Michigan.

[5280]

Silly thread. The unemployed always vote Democrat, and Michigan has an abundance of them right now. The Republicans stand no chance in Michigan.

Agreed.  Seems like they're stuck in the past electing the same officials, digging a deeper trench.

[FloridaRepublican]

It's possible for a Republican to pick up Michigan, but Obama would really have to screw up big time in order for the counties outside Wayne County, such as Oakland and Kent, to go Republican in 2012.


McCollum for Governor 2010

[Keystone Phil]

It's possible for a Republican to pick up Michigan, but Obama would really have to screw up big time in order for the counties outside Wayne County, such as Oakland and Kent, to go Republican in 2012.


McCollum for Governor 2010

Welcome, my friend. 

Just a word of advice - put the "McCollum for Governor" line in your signature, not at the end of every post. By the way, I'm a McCollum fan myself. 

[War on Want]

Silly thread. The unemployed always vote Democrat, and Michigan has an abundance of them right now. The Republicans stand no chance in Michigan.

Agreed.  Seems like they're stuck in the past electing the same officials, digging a deeper trench.

Nah mostly because they recognize that the Democrats will give them more unemployment benefits, food stamps etc.

[5280]

Silly thread. The unemployed always vote Democrat, and Michigan has an abundance of them right now. The Republicans stand no chance in Michigan.

Agreed.  Seems like they're stuck in the past electing the same officials, digging a deeper trench.

Nah mostly because they recognize that the Democrats will give them more unemployment benefits, food stamps etc.

Giving them more unemployment benefits because they're not trying hard enough to find a career that pays them well with medical/vision/dental insurance?  Seems like they're just being sheep for the masses of dependance.

Give me a break, I'm desperately looking for a new job while I'm employed.  I'm going to graduate college soon and I'm excited about it and you tell me theywant more wealth from the government?

[Lief 🗽]

Silly thread. The unemployed always vote Democrat, and Michigan has an abundance of them right now. The Republicans stand no chance in Michigan.

Agreed.  Seems like they're stuck in the past electing the same officials, digging a deeper trench.

Well, if not for the Republican economic policies, they wouldn't be in the trench in the first place.

[Democratic Hawk]

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership

They still failed, and now we have less economic independence. Lose-Lose.

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

Actually, the enlightened welfare capitalist nations of northern and western Europe, along with post-industrial Anglophone nations, are not 3rd world countries

[Brittain33]

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

Michigan actually tried the tack you think they're too stupid to do; they voted R for state government from 1990-2002, a rather long time. Remember John Engler? How much did he do to stop the decline of the U.S. auto industry?

[Nym90]

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

Michigan actually tried the tack you think they're too stupid to do; they voted R for state government from 1990-2002, a rather long time. Remember John Engler? How much did he do to stop the decline of the U.S. auto industry?

Not to mention that we had a Republican controlled State house until the 2006 elections and still have a GOP held State Senate.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I don't think MI will switch sides anytime soon but the state to watch is Ohio and I think if the current trend continues as far as the unemployment rate goes he and Strickland may very well lose.

states to watch OH, NM, VA CO in the next election cycle, if one defects Dems will not win.

[Democratic Hawk]

People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

Michigan actually tried the tack you think they're too stupid to do; they voted R for state government from 1990-2002, a rather long time. Remember John Engler? How much did he do to stop the decline of the U.S. auto industry?

Not to mention that we had a Republican controlled State house until the 2006 elections and still have a GOP held State Senate.

Aye, it's not like at the state level Michigan is one-party

[dmmidmi]

I would like to know if Kathleen Sebilius is popular in Ohio. Why? http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1774

There seems to be this assumption that Mitt Romney is popular in Michigan because his dad was governor, forgetting that he has written stuff like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html

Obama's win in Michigan was so wide not just because of the economic recession, but because McCain effectively pulled all of his resources out of the state in early October. When you tell the people of a state that you're not fighting for their votes anymore, you're going to lose big. This is reflected in the fact that my very conservative congressional district went Democrat for the first time in years.

I feel like it would take something fairly big for MI to swing Republican next time around.

[Verily]

Well, Romney did manage to win the primary in Michigan, although no doubt that was helped as much or more by the fact that Michigan Republican politics are dominated by corporatists as by the Romney name.