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« Reply #250 on: August 23, 2009, 06:28:48 PM »

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« Reply #251 on: August 24, 2009, 02:03:35 AM »

Wojciech Jaruzelski

He fight for a dead regime. Gierek is a small Brezhnev, a bad man, but not extreme. Khrushchev with the Cuba-crisis he create a atomic war, but he was better like the alternatives as successor of Stalin and for a Soviet leader amusing Wink
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« Reply #252 on: August 24, 2009, 03:00:37 AM »

Gorbachev should be removed soon, but he's probably too popular, so Edward Gierek for now.
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« Reply #253 on: August 24, 2009, 04:43:21 PM »

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« Reply #254 on: August 24, 2009, 04:51:11 PM »

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« Reply #255 on: August 24, 2009, 04:57:29 PM »

Gierek. I'm still paying as my countrymen his debts. He was a failure. Jaruzelski at least acheived something.
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« Reply #256 on: August 24, 2009, 04:59:24 PM »

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« Reply #257 on: August 24, 2009, 05:07:48 PM »

Ochab (small) landslide indeed.

ROUND TWENTY-SIX IS OPEN

I vote for Gierek.

Many "promises", few successes. Unable to face unrest, unable to dare to speak with the opposition, unlike Kania or Jaruzelski.

He was in fact a little Brezhnev (remember, in 1960-1964 and just after K's ousting, Brezhnev was a young, smiling, dynamic and peaceful leader: many in the East and the West were happy to see him ousting the rebel and unforeseeable K, especially after Cuba). BTW, he was Brezhnev's man in Poland.

Even more, he may have been a little Kosygin: young technocrat promising reforms but implementing few things and succeeding in even fewer; and Kosygin was first promoted during the last years of Stalin's era, just like Gierek climbed the hierarchy during Bierut and then Gomulka years, without any problem.

I'm not saying he was evil, but we are now at a point where we begin eliminating not entirely evil men.
I must acknowledge it's difficult for me to vote "for" Khrushchev yet... Even though I don't like him and he was a pure Stalinist, he did very courageous things. But would have Béria been more efficient ?

That's a fine characteristic. Also, Gierek "succeesed" were not only short-lived, but also very costly for generations. And if we add we was unable to reach beyond the party. I getting mad when I hear sometimed "we were so good under Gierek".
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« Reply #258 on: August 24, 2009, 06:24:17 PM »

Another Polish leader down.

ROUND TWENTY-SEVEN IS OPEN

I vote for Kadar

He betrayed Nagy. He was a mediocre guy after all. I think he has bought his image and the Hungarian people's quietness.
His mediocre system (I don't bother you, so don't bother the party) has resulted in a weak opposition.
Of course, we can say that it was better to live in Hungary in the 1970s-1980s than in East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria or Romania.
And we can say that the Nemeth, Pozsgay, Grosz et alii emerged inside the party, under Kadar's rule.
But I remain convinced that in 1956, something would have been possible in Hungary, more than in Czechoslovakia, 1968.

And we have to pick someone after all... Wink
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« Reply #259 on: August 24, 2009, 06:54:15 PM »

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« Reply #260 on: August 25, 2009, 05:12:53 AM »

Come on guys...
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« Reply #261 on: August 25, 2009, 05:23:06 AM »

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« Reply #262 on: August 25, 2009, 05:47:33 AM »

Wojciech Jaruzelski

About him i can't say something good, Kadar have made some positive things (not many, but a few)
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« Reply #263 on: August 25, 2009, 12:29:15 PM »

Stanislaw Kania
He didn't manage to do almost anything
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« Reply #264 on: August 25, 2009, 04:20:54 PM »

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« Reply #265 on: August 25, 2009, 04:56:47 PM »

Stanislaw Kania

Better and wiser than Gierek, but still another brief mediocre
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« Reply #266 on: August 25, 2009, 05:25:49 PM »

Fine...
Kania 2, Khrushchev 2, Jaruzelski 2, Kadar 1... That's what I call a suspense. I have no preference: I'm happy to lose this one, as Kania and K are probably better choices than Kadar, but it was too difficult for me to oust them Wink

Waiting for Xahar and Edu...
Maybe a four-way tie first and then a final surprise !
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« Reply #267 on: August 25, 2009, 07:13:42 PM »

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« Reply #268 on: August 25, 2009, 08:36:55 PM »

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« Reply #269 on: August 26, 2009, 12:38:45 AM »

Kania, to break the tie.
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« Reply #270 on: August 26, 2009, 03:19:22 AM »

Still in our Polish series, with Kania out after a suspenseful round. Thanks to you all.

ROUND TWENTY-EIGHT IS OPEN

I vote for Kadar.
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« Reply #271 on: August 26, 2009, 03:27:32 AM »

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« Reply #272 on: August 26, 2009, 08:27:59 AM »

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« Reply #273 on: August 26, 2009, 10:55:10 AM »

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« Reply #274 on: August 26, 2009, 07:35:28 PM »

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