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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« on: July 26, 2009, 03:24:06 AM »
Stalin
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 07:45:40 AM »
Hoxha
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 08:42:47 AM »
Matyas Rakosi
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 07:18:40 AM »
Matyas Rakosi
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 11:19:00 AM »
Klement Gottwald
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 06:09:58 AM »
Gottwald
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
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Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2009, 10:02:02 AM »
Boleslaw Bierut
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2009, 01:31:15 PM »
I vote for Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej

I think he was worse than Ceausescu. He was the founder of the Securitate and extrem violent against the opposition.
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2009, 12:20:32 PM »
I vote for Walter Ulbricht, the man of the 17 June 1953 and who build the Berlin Wall

My ranking of the East German Leaders:

11. Walter Ulbricht (East Germany, 1950-1971)   A Evil Man (but the Saxons Vote him as the "Saxon of the Millennium" Wink)
  
13. Egon Krenz (East Germany, 1989)  totally incompetent, a joke politician

12. Erich Honecker (East Germany, 1971-1989)  evil, but less than Ulbricht, more a bureaucrat

10. Wilhelm Pieck (East Germany, 1946-1950)   Not my favourite man, but the best in this list, old school communist
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 07:57:18 AM »
Vulko Chervenkov
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 07:27:57 AM »
Ernö Gerö
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2009, 12:10:18 PM »
Ernö Gerö
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2009, 09:36:20 AM »
Leonid Brezhnev

He was the man of the stagnation.
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2009, 01:57:29 PM »
Quote from: big bad fab on August 09, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: Hans-im-Glück on August 09, 2009, 09:36:20 AM
Leonid Brezhnev

He was the man of the stagnation.

Zastoi, yes, but wasn't a Stalinist like Dimitrov worse, or even ... Khrushchev, as he took part actively in Stalin's repression ?

@ fab
Yes there gives worse leaders like Brezhnev, but he had a long time the power to make something good. What he did? Nothing. No he begin a war in Afghanistan.
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 06:33:11 AM »
Leonid Brezhnev
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 09:20:16 AM »
Quote from: big bad fab on August 11, 2009, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Kalwejt on August 11, 2009, 08:20:38 AM
Egon Krenz

Little significance, crappy politician, leader at very end: why should he stay?
Because he didn't stop the East German popular movement ?

Because it's more difficult to weigh the (very tiny) part of good in him than in others ?

But it's fine to have "open" rounds like this one Wink

Egon Krenz was totally incompetent. He was more a parody about a communist/socialist leader. Fab you can say that he wasn't so worse, because he make no war against the opposition. The truth is that when he come in power East Germany was dead and he cannot reanimate a dead country. I'm not sure he had the power to send the military on the street. Would they break down the Civil Forum and the opposition. The implosion of SED was started and he comes only with the old speeches (like Honecker). Nobody wanted to hear it. This man had no control over East Germany. The only good thing was, this incompetence save many people the life.
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2009, 08:45:25 AM »
Chernenko
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
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Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2009, 09:47:45 AM »
Georgy Malenkov
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
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Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2009, 06:41:42 AM »
Egon Krenz

Not the worst man in the list, but a complet idiot and totally incompetent
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2009, 09:12:59 AM »
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2009, 10:36:26 AM »
Gomółka
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2009, 11:51:11 AM »
Egon Krenz

Wilhelm Pieck was a old style communist and i think he believe in all what he did. Egon Krenz was only a joke. In the 40ies and 50ies it was good to be a Stalinist, when you don't want to die this was important and this speaks against Pieck, but Krenz see that the communist system, Moscow style, don't work and what he did. He sends congratulations to Chinese Government that they kill all at the Tiananmen Square.
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2009, 12:19:17 PM »
Quote from: big bad fab on August 17, 2009, 12:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hans-im-Glück on August 17, 2009, 11:51:11 AM
Egon Krenz

Wilhelm Pieck was a old style communist and i think he believe in all what he did. Egon Krenz was only a joke. In the 40ies and 50ies it was good to be a Stalinist, when you don't want to die this was important and this speaks against Pieck, but Krenz see that the communist system, Moscow style, don't work and what he did. He sends congratulations to Chinese Government that they kill all at the Tiananmen Square.

But being in Moscow during the great purges and being at the head of the Komintern in the 1930s-1940s doesn't speak well for him.
And he remained president until 1960 (with the 1953 Berlin uprising crushed), even though Ulbricht was the one in charge.

Therefor I prefer to eliminate those who were in charge and bad, like Pieck, than those who were no more in charge even if they were stupid and bad, like Krenz.


fab, you are right, but for me is a man who believe what he did and doesn't do extrem evil things not so bad, like a incompetent Apparatchik (i don't know i write it correct Wink) who fight for a idea with no future. By the way, Pieck hasn't the power in East Germany. The strong man was Ulbricht. He was only the symbol of the past (of the old KPD)
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2009, 11:18:52 AM »
One more time Wink

Egon Krenz

But i must say Husak is a good decision too.
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Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 11:47:56 AM »
Egon Krenz
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