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« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2011, 04:48:17 am »
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Summer 1984 reveals a new start for scarred America. President Reagan gives his first television address on August 1st, and data indicates people in the 10 states not impacted by bombs still have radio, television and telephone communications. This is a great relief to the COG and the Reagan Administration, giving them hope that a future following the war may be possible.

On August 2nd, Vice President George Bush flies from the hills of Virginia to Area 51 in New Mexico and meets with President Reagan. Both men are seen embracing. NBC News is the first national network to resume broadcasting on August 16th, with their headquarters from Atlantic City, New Jersey. News anchor Tom Brokaw, who was in upstate New York at the time, has survived the attack, and has himself broadcast from New Jersey.

"I'm Tom Brokaw, NBC News. The world has been through nearly eight months of carnage following the nuclear war between the United States, the Soviet Union, and NATO and Warsaw Pact forces. As we come back on the air during this surreal time, here is what we can tell you. New York, London, Paris, Moscow and many more American, Soviet and European cities have fallen to ruins. Millions of lives have been lost. Radiation levels have decreased but in some areas are still potentially lethal. We, like all around the world, pray for the victims and as we try and piece together our world, pray for the hope that a brighter day may come.

What we know at this hour is that President Ronald Reagan is located with Vice President George Bush at a secure military installation somewhere in New Mexico where we expect to hear from him momentarily. There is still a nationwide ban on aviation, and the borders with Canada and Mexico remain closed. Special U.S. Military and Government recovery teams have been in place for the last several months providing food, medical attention, and recovery efforts outside direct blast zone areas. Radiation levels in the United States have decreased significantly the past eight months, but are still lethal in the San Francisco Bay region, as well as an area of 50 miles around lower Manhattan. The radiation count in the state of Missouri is also said to be deadly due to heavy fallout from the destruction of Kansas City, St. Louis and many ICBM Missile Silos."

As news in states where television is available resumes, many in the areas outside of blast zones who had built fallout shelters come out for the first time in several months, and make their way to COG checkpoints set-up near major Soviet impact points.

Reagan and Bush discuss the current Soviet situation. Bush's opinion is that off the record, the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact no longer exist. The only KGB and hard-line communist leaders left living in Moscow have been overthrown by the freedom rebel survivors and the Soviet Union doesn't seem to have any leadership or recovery forces, unlike the United States which still has a functioning Government and leaders. Bush exclaims, "The Soviet Union ended in 1983."

As far as politics goes, broadcasts on radio and television tell listeners that the Presidential election will be an all-write in election to take place on November 6th. Reagan tells viewers in a weekly address on October 6th that he would honored to have the opportunity to help rebuild and strengthen the United States following the war. The only other people who are curious as to the job are George McGovern, Walter Mondale, John Glenn, and former President Jimmy Carter, who announces that he would, "Lead with humility and dignity to rebuild America back to her former glory" if he were to be elected President. Polling places begin early voting at COG Voting Centers near checkpoints of blast regions. In the ten states not impacts and those regions without fallout, the Government oversees polling places in local regions not run by COG. Voting is set to begin October 16th to allow ample time for the votes to come in.

By November 16, 1983, the votes are counted and are as follows.

Ronald Reagan - 4,159,367
Jimmy Carter - 3,305,225
George McGovern - 1,921,866
George Bush - 890,976
Walter Mondale - 440,047
John Glenn - 940
Robert McNamara - 732
Richard Nixon - 405

Ronald Reagan has been re-elected President by an uncertain write-in system with Civil-War levels of voter turnout.


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« Reply #76 on: February 21, 2011, 09:07:18 am »
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Why wouldn't they re-election Reagan in a landslide? Also, why is the election held one year early?
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« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2011, 09:54:58 pm »
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bump. Well, I think there would be some conflict between Reagan leading us into a war and Reagan winning a war that only 12% of the population survived.
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« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2011, 05:17:55 pm »
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I should add that this continues to be a hard story to write.

As bad as I made it, realistically, it'd be a lot worse. For example, I show...what...like... 100 Soviet missile strikes on targets. Realistically, the Soviets had atleast double what the United States had in 1983 and I know that we had atleast 1000 ICBMs in our Minuteman silos in the Midwest.

So...realistically...there wouldn't be 100 missile strikes...it'd be more like 1000-2000 launched at U.S. and NATO targets.

Secondly, I show some cities getting hit but some places going without impact when realistically, every single little farm town that housed a silo or every single Military base in America would be subject to impact.

And finally, I showed some Soviet strikes of up to 50 MT in my what-if timeline. They had those bombs as far back as 1961, although back then they weren't able to be put on ICBMs. I'm sure by 1983 they were on ICBMs, and the effects would have been way worse than my story.

1961 Soviet "Tsar" Bomba at point of explosion, 5 mile wide fireball



The shockwave was felt 430 miles away. Third degree burns from the flash could occur at 62 miles away.

Imagine the power by 1983, let alone with hundreds or thousands of those in NATO and U.S. targets. My story isn't even NEAR worst case.
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« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2011, 07:39:46 pm »
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You wanna see how bad it could be in 1984 after a nuclear war?  Read the timeline Protect And Survive at the Alternate History website.  Basically, a hardliner takeover in 1983 of the Soviet Union leads to all-out war between the U.S. and the Soviets, with much of the First World gone.  Trust me, it makes your exchange look mild in comparison.

A timeline that is similar to the above timeline is Doomsday:  1983, which has its own Wiki page.

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« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2011, 08:07:36 pm »
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It would probably really go the way of the Fallout series, where even 140 years after the war, there is only 700,000 people in California....and if the population changes are uniform, that would put the entire world's population at like 100,000,000....basically back to Bronze Age population levels.

The war in Threads was a war in the 1980s by BBC and the UKs population was reduced by 90%, back to 5th/14th century population levels.

In the Steven King book, the biological accident killed 99.4% of the population...that would give us a global population around 25 million....like what it was in the neolithic era.

In other words, "The Apocalypse" can be the death of 50%, 80%, 90%, 99% or even 99.9% of the population.
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« Reply #81 on: April 28, 2011, 11:26:43 pm »
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December 23, 1993

It's been ten years since the nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union. The full human death toll will never be known, but it is estimated that 120 million Americans were killed, and 250 million Soviets were killed.

Ronald Reagan, who passed away in 1991, served as President of the United States from 1981 to 1989. The continuity government continued to have write-in Presidential elections. The 1984 election resulted in civil war levels of voting, with Reagan receiving a majority. The division leaders continued their recovery efforts as radiation levels gradually decreased.

The 1988 election saw George Bush succeed Ronald Reagan as President, with a strong increase in voter turnout. The only other contender for the Presidency was John Glenn, who received 22 million votes to George Bush's 24 million. George Bush selected Donald Rumsfeld to serve as his Vice President, after Rumsfeld tenure as Division Leader #5. The Bush/Rumsfeld administration is seen more frequently than the second term of Reagan/Bush as television technology begins to reactivate throughout the United States.

Due to it's destruction, the Capitol has effectively been moved to Roswell, New Mexico near Area 51 where the Reagan Administration coordinated recovery efforts throughout the 1980s.

A 1990 aerial flight by the U.S. Goverment over Manhattan resolved the questions that lingered about the ultimate fate of New York City.



Lower Manhattan was ground zero for the 50 megaton blast, which is confirmed to be the strongest yield of any bomb used in the Soviet attack. A probe from the plane was dropped which showed significant amounts of trinitite, glass rocks created from the heat and melting of lower Manhattan when the bomb detonated. Ground level could be seen from the aerial view, and even street level could be seen. There were no survivors on the island of Manhattan during or after the blast. Radiation levels are expected to be safe for re-population and re-building by the Spring of 2004.

In 1987, President Reagan authorized the National Reconstruction Act of '87, which sent COG representatives to cities that were now safe from radioactive fallout, to begin rebuilding with hospitals, hotels, and shelters being the first priority. These contracts also allow the hiring of civilians and allow payments to them to begin to revitalize and rebuild the economy. By 1992, 70% of the eligible workforce were employed.

The greatest success of the NRA was the growth of the city of Newark, New Jersey as well as the growth of Portland, Oregon. It is estimated that Portland and Newark will become major cities in the future beyond what they were before World War III.

President Bush and Vice President Rumsfeld met with World Leaders throughout the start of the 1990s, and most surprising was that the new leader of the Former Soviet Union was not a KGB hardliner, but rather a West sympathizer. Mikhail Gorbachev, a more sympathetic Soviet  during the the war's cold period, he was one of the remaining survivors from the Soviet leadership and became the de-facto Soviet leader. Germany is now considered to be part of NATO from all borders, although losses were horrendous in the country. Italy and France survived surprisingly well, although Paris and Rome were targets of several megaton Soviet bombs.

Margaret Thatcher remains Prime Minister of the U.K. and has continued to oversee a relief and recovery effort close to what the United States has implemented since 1983.

In November 1992, the largest array of candidates spoke on radio and television in the United States for the Presidency against George Bush. They included Walter Mondale, Lee Hamilton and Robert McNamara, all of whom were members of the Government Continuity Leadership. Voting increased again as it had in 1988, but George Bush won a significant majority of the vote.

George Bush - 33,674,043
Walter Mondale - 25,749,345
Robert McNamara - 8,456,532
Lee Hamilton - 2,100,246

It is clear by 1993 that politics for the short term will be decided on the national level only, as once every four years for President of the United States through a write-in system until recovery efforts take better hold. Also, those openly vying for the Presidency remain people mainly in operations with the Government Continuity. It is generally assumed that by 1997, Donald Rumsfeld or Walter Mondale will be President of the United States, as it seems to be a "next-in-line" type of pattern.

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« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2011, 10:20:48 am »
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I have some questions:

1. What happened to Bill Clinton?

2. Is North Carolina rebuilding?
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« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2011, 01:14:43 pm »
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I have some questions:

1. What happened to Bill Clinton?

2. Is North Carolina rebuilding?

One can assume Clinton is no longer a viable President, since Governors are busy coordinating relief efforts with federal officials in states.

Yes, North Carolina is rebuilding.
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« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2011, 01:16:40 pm »
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One more, who is the Governor of NC?
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« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2011, 01:25:19 pm »
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I think he wants to know how the legislature and states are....though most of the OTL congresspeople and guvs were probably vaporized.
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« Reply #86 on: October 20, 2011, 02:01:45 am »
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The nuclear war that occurred on 12/23/83 has drastically altered the history of the world.

In June 1996, President George Bush receives a briefing about a research mission carried out by the National Reconstruction Act between August 1993 and May 1996. It's results show the following findings:

- New York City was completely decimated by the Soviet attack, leaving a permanent crater on the lower end of Manhattan. Radiation levels were lethal between 1983 and 1991, and are expected to be at completely safe levels by July 2004. It is estimated that roughly 8 million people were instantly killed in New York and the surrounding areas.

- San Francisco had radiation levels too severe for survival until 1990, and the survey shows that it is likely that the San Francisco region experienced a strong earthquake sometime between 1986 and 1991, due to the fact that some remaining structures show signs of post-war damage. Radiation levels will be safe for rebuilding by September 2001.

- Los Angeles has been decimated much like New York, however, the yield and accuracy of these Soviet bombs appear to be much less accurate than those that struck New York and Chicago. It is estimated that many people may have survived the initial attack but died shortly after from extreme fallout. Radiation levels will be safe for rebuilding by July 1997.

- Chicago was struck particularly hard by the Soviet missiles. Evidence gathered shows that a portion of the Chicago River boiled during the detonation of the Soviet weapon into vapor and this was seen by a significant decline in the water depth close to what was downtown. Also, signs of melted radioactive glass were found in the river bed, suggesting complete evaporation of portions of the Chicago River during the explosion. The Sears Tower is estimated to have collapsed during the detonation, and all that remains of it are a column of steel beams no higher than 40 feet off ground level. Radiation levels will be safe for rebuilding by August 1999.
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« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2011, 02:58:13 am »
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I would like to note that South Hemisphere would be a lot less effected, so the world Population would be higher than your estimate(based on projection of us). Basically Australia(Soviets would likely destroy it if they bomb the major cities if it's a full out warfare) or more likely Argentina/Brazil would become super powers if not bombed.
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« Reply #88 on: October 21, 2011, 01:37:22 pm »
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I like how you jumped a few years, very nice. Continue!
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« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2011, 01:55:53 pm »
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Is this directed by Michael Bay?
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« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2011, 01:25:59 pm »
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Suddenly, President Ronald Reagan awakens. It is November 1983. He looks around. Nancy is in bed next to him.

It was a terrible nightmare. It's time to work with the Soviets to end the threat.
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« Reply #91 on: November 10, 2011, 02:17:10 pm »
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This is sorta a Day After TL. Cathcon is good at post-apocalyptic fiction, so it could be pretty cool to see Cathcon do a TL that briefly describes the atomic war and goes more into depth over the aftermath.
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« Reply #92 on: November 10, 2011, 02:47:05 pm »
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This is sorta a Day After TL. Cathcon is good at post-apocalyptic fiction, so it could be pretty cool to see Cathcon do a TL that briefly describes the atomic war and goes more into depth over the aftermath.

Thanks. That reminds me: I should update A&O today with two of the 1950 elections.
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« Reply #93 on: November 11, 2011, 11:37:51 am »
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this thread is Naso's erotica
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« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2011, 09:03:14 pm »
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I like this thread and hope it continues.
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« Reply #95 on: November 21, 2011, 09:01:05 am »
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At least an epilogue to the present day if you cannot finish it.
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« Reply #96 on: November 21, 2011, 01:11:49 pm »
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this thread is Naso's erotica

It is pretty hot...
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« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2011, 04:11:47 pm »
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« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2011, 04:47:35 pm »
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I'm wondering who wins in 1996 and when/if the east coast is officially opened for the public once more.
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« Reply #99 on: November 29, 2011, 02:05:24 pm »
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LOL   It looks like one missile may have accidentally hit Green Bay instead of Milwaukee.  Or is a nuclear facility there?  
The Soviets were Vikings fans.
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