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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2024, 08:32:06 PM »

I would personally oppose the idea of the game shutting down unless we run out of potential candidates. The game should progress down whatever path it's meant to go down.
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2024, 11:28:08 AM »
« Edited: April 27, 2024, 11:32:25 AM by The world will shine with light in our nightmare »

Fundamentally people hated at the time  but it could work . Basically you’d split Atlasia up into 4-5 nations that each govern itself domestically and could conduct player to player foreign policy . Of course they would have to be uniform rules as well :

- Basic requirements to hold elections in the regions

- no war on Atlasian territory but to nations in Atlasia could go to war with each abroad

- uniform registration rules

- no loss of voting rights in a region without a conviction too


You actually would revitalize the game and see actual foreign policy skill of players too

Somewhat related I wish more Atlasia players would learn and play Diplomacy. It's a great FP simulation that requires a little bit of practice early on (and time and level of interest/dedication - but that's expected for all this stuff) but it involves far more political strategy than what Atlasia normally has, which is more personality-based.
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2024, 02:57:53 PM »

I have not paid attention in a looong time and did not even vote (I forgot) but if there is a commited group of players I don't think the game needs to be shut down

I do not know about the bare minimum amount of players, but I'd say it is probably around 10 or so active players to staff all mandatory roles?
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2024, 07:15:53 PM »

I have not paid attention in a looong time and did not even vote (I forgot) but if there is a commited group of players I don't think the game needs to be shut down

I do not know about the bare minimum amount of players, but I'd say it is probably around 10 or so active players to staff all mandatory roles?

Assuming no Constitutional Amendment:

Game Moderator (3)
President
Vice President
Attorney General-Secretary of Internal Affairs (combined role)
Secretary of State
SoFE/RG (combined role)
Supreme Court (5)
Senators (18)
Lincoln Governor
LGC (3)
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Southern Vice Prince

41. You could of course have some dual officeholders, shrink the Senate and/or SCOA and/or abolish the regions but this is the current base structure.
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2024, 02:57:10 PM »

This is what happens when the Will of The People is ignored for so long. They back their bags and go home!
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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2024, 05:03:26 PM »

This is what happens when the Will of The People is ignored for so long. They back their bags and go home!

This game structure is designed to ignore the will of the people. A constitutional amendment was "adopted" recently despite 2/3 of the popular vote at referendum voting no. Proposed amendments to fix this anti-democratic process were killed by the do nothing left because they said it wasnt a problem. They recently passed another constitutional amendment that only got half as many total popular votes (7) at referendum as the number of elected Senators who voted to send the amendment to referendum in the first place. They used this broken, anti-democratic process to dictatorally target the only active Region in the game to effectively kill its productivity.

They routinely run candidates who decline to take office so that party bosses can make undemocratic appointments for a full term without the appointee receiving a single popular vote. Again, proposed amendments to fix this anti-democratic process were killed multiple times by the do nothing left because they said it wasnt a problem. Then when the only region to have a true direct democracy overwhelmingly passes laws by popular vote, the do nothing left whines, and sues, and writes dumb stories no one reads or cares about claiming the NPCs are rioting over laws that 70% of the actual voting electorate supports and voted for.

Suing does nothing however because 40% of the Supreme Court is vacant and there is a backlog of 15 or so cases pending from 2023 still. Once again, proposed amendments to fix this problem were killed by the do nothing left because they said it wasnt a problem.

About the only thing the do nothing left has done in 15 months was expel 3 conservative senators in bad faith at the same time for blatantly partisan reasons and immediately pass (with less than a majority) a pro abortion law that deviates from a decade and a half of Atlasian precedent. Oh wait, they also passed a law reducing the punishment for literal rape and allowing BDSM weirdos to claim their degenerate fetish allows them to commit crimes.

Not surprising most people have packed up and left.
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2024, 09:51:29 PM »

This is what happens when the Will of The People is ignored for so long. They back their bags and go home!

This game structure is designed to ignore the will of the people. A constitutional amendment was "adopted" recently despite 2/3 of the popular vote at referendum voting no.

I don't know if people don't want more people to vote on constitutional amendment or there is simply no effort to increase participation.

I see one amendment was adopted on May 14 and in Lincoln the vote was May 17. I don't see a topic on the elections board announcing a referendum. Over the years we adopted laws to increase debate and participation by requiring a thread on the elections board with an explanation of the amendment and time for people to ask questions and advocate for or against. I don't know if people skip the rules or have changed them.
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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2024, 11:52:21 PM »

This is what happens when the Will of The People is ignored for so long. They back their bags and go home!

This game structure is designed to ignore the will of the people. A constitutional amendment was "adopted" recently despite 2/3 of the popular vote at referendum voting no.

I don't know if people don't want more people to vote on constitutional amendment or there is simply no effort to increase participation.

I see one amendment was adopted on May 14 and in Lincoln the vote was May 17. I don't see a topic on the elections board announcing a referendum. Over the years we adopted laws to increase debate and participation by requiring a thread on the elections board with an explanation of the amendment and time for people to ask questions and advocate for or against. I don't know if people skip the rules or have changed them.

There is no such requirement in current law. It was likely eliminated when the Federal Electoral Act was rewritten in 2019 or with the adoption of the 4th or 5th Constitution. Regions have discretion on when to hold referendums, and currently 2 of the 3 Regions hold them immediately.
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