Happy 100th anniversary to the independent Poland & Austria

[Tender Branson]

Today, 100 years ago, both countries became independent Republics.

Poland was re-established from the German/Austrian/Russian-held parts of their soil, while Austria was declared as an independent county after the end of the Monarchy.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Today, 100 years ago, both countries became independent Republics.

Poland was re-established from the German/Austrian/Russian-held parts of their soil, while Austria was declared as an independent county after the end of the Monarchy.

Austria was already independent.  It was also the subject peoples of the Hapsburg Empire that gained their independence.  Like a lot of peoples Austrians do try and whitewash their history, but that doesn't mean they should get away with it.

[Tender Branson]

Today, 100 years ago, both countries became independent Republics.

Poland was re-established from the German/Austrian/Russian-held parts of their soil, while Austria was declared as an independent county after the end of the Monarchy.

Austria was already independent.  It was also the subject peoples of the Hapsburg Empire that gained their independence.  Like a lot of peoples Austrians do try and whitewash their history, but that doesn't mean they should get away with it.

No, it wasn't independent.

Before it was part of a Monarchy, and on 11-11-1918 the Republic of GermanAustria was proclaimed.

That does not have anything to do with whitewashing, it's just the reality.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

This anniversary is anything but "happy".

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

So the Austrian Empire was a figment of the history books? The dual-monarchy of Austria-Hungary is an invention of revisionist history? You don't get to claim you're suddenly "gaining independence" when your empire collapses.

[Tender Branson]

So the Austrian Empire was a figment of the history books? The dual-monarchy of Austria-Hungary is an invention of revisionist history? You don't get to claim you're suddenly "gaining independence" when your empire collapses.

The democratic Republic of Austria in the version since 1918 (or better since 1945) and its borders have virtually nothing to do with the Monarchy before that. So of course it became independent. Independent of that vast, thrown-together political/monarchic construct.

[Blue3]

Poland didn't stay independent for long, unfortunately.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

And 11th November is generally stipulated date which was set post factum by Piłsudski and his fanboys in 20s. Initially obviously 11th November was considered as important day but due to end of the I World War. Left-wing parties generally celebrated 7th Nobemver and right-wing initially 28th June. It was official, state holiday thanks to the "Sanation" authoritarian regime only for 2 years before II World War. After the war is was removed and only brought in 1989 back because commies had not like it. Nowadays almost no one remembers about those pre-war differences.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

So the Austrian Empire was a figment of the history books? The dual-monarchy of Austria-Hungary is an invention of revisionist history? You don't get to claim you're suddenly "gaining independence" when your empire collapses.

The democratic Republic of Austria in the version since 1918 (or better since 1945) and its borders have virtually nothing to do with the Monarchy before that. So of course it became independent. Independent of that vast, thrown-together political/monarchic construct.

So Austrians weren't in charge?

[DavidB.]

Loved the pictures from the patriotic rally in Warsaw. Belated happy birthday!

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Loved the pictures from the patriotic rally in Warsaw. Belated happy birthday!

Hope you realize how many outspoken anti-semites were among those "patriots".

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

So the Austrian Empire was a figment of the history books? The dual-monarchy of Austria-Hungary is an invention of revisionist history? You don't get to claim you're suddenly "gaining independence" when your empire collapses.

The democratic Republic of Austria in the version since 1918 (or better since 1945) and its borders have virtually nothing to do with the Monarchy before that. So of course it became independent. Independent of that vast, thrown-together political/monarchic construct.

So Austrians weren't in charge?

It's a valid point, of course, but I believe Austria never claimed to be a successor state to the Austria-Hungary, just as the Turkish Republic did their very best to make sure to everyone they're not a continuation of the Ottoman Empire.

I always found it very telling Austria outright abolished official traces of nobility (all "vons" were stricked down from names), as opposed to Germany, that preserved it as "part of a name" (yes, "Count von Something" is considered as part of a person's name in Germany). That's pretty clear sign of rejecting and repudiating the imperial past.

[Tender Branson]

So the Austrian Empire was a figment of the history books? The dual-monarchy of Austria-Hungary is an invention of revisionist history? You don't get to claim you're suddenly "gaining independence" when your empire collapses.

The democratic Republic of Austria in the version since 1918 (or better since 1945) and its borders have virtually nothing to do with the Monarchy before that. So of course it became independent. Independent of that vast, thrown-together political/monarchic construct.

So Austrians weren't in charge?

The Royals and their advisers (from all the parts of the realm) were in charge, yes.

On Nov. 11, the Royal family stepped down and on Nov. 12 the new independent, democratic Republic of Austria was proclaimed. With totally new politicians.

So, you cannot really make any connection between before and after.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It's complex, but I don't think Austria that emerged in 1918 can be considered a successor state of a "continuation" to Cisleithania.

[Ebsy]

What nonsense.

[Bacon King]

So the Austrian Empire was a figment of the history books? The dual-monarchy of Austria-Hungary is an invention of revisionist history? You don't get to claim you're suddenly "gaining independence" when your empire collapses.

The democratic Republic of Austria in the version since 1918 (or better since 1945) and its borders have virtually nothing to do with the Monarchy before that. So of course it became independent. Independent of that vast, thrown-together political/monarchic construct.

So Austrians weren't in charge?

The Royals and their advisers (from all the parts of the realm) were in charge, yes.

On Nov. 11, the Royal family stepped down and on Nov. 12 the new independent, democratic Republic of Austria was proclaimed. With totally new politicians.

So, you cannot really make any connection between before and after.

I think it's easonable and correct to draw a continuation from the Empire of AUSTRIA to the subsequent Republic of the same name in the same location.

Did France not become independent until Louis XVI lost his head? Did Germany only get its independence in 1918? Did Greece only become independent in 1974?

[Devout Centrist]

I’m sure that Emperor Karl was elated that his homeland finally threw off the chains of foreign masters and gained independence.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Next year makes the 100th anniversary of the Irish Republic being declared, and therefore the independence of the UK.

[Omega21]

Loved the pictures from the patriotic rally in Warsaw. Belated happy birthday!

Hope you realize how many outspoken anti-semites were among those "patriots".

Nazis all around, terrible indeed!