Italy 2013: The official thread

[Keystone Phil]

Sounds perfect for the Monti alliance

That's what I thought but being in favor of tax cuts might block that.

[Iannis]

Sounds perfect for the Monti alliance

No, it seemd that some part of Monti coalition doesn't appreciate Giannino, so he will run on his own. Usual italian clash of personalities, that will only damage the liberal area.

[Iannis]

Quite a clever piece of electoral dishonesty. Might even work.

Why dishonesty?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Center-Right (No name given yet - PdL/La Destra/FdI-CN/GS)

What is GS?

[Iannis]

Center-Right (No name given yet - PdL/La Destra/FdI-CN/GS)

What is GS?

I suppose Grande Sud

[Antonio the Sixth]

Center-Right (No name given yet - PdL/La Destra/FdI-CN/GS)

What is GS?

I suppose Grande Sud

Ah, right. LOL.

[Keystone Phil]

Center-Right (No name given yet - PdL/La Destra/FdI-CN/GS)

What is GS?

I suppose Grande Sud

Correct

[Keystone Phil]

Monti bashing PD, saying it "silences conservatives" and is dominated by views of CGIL and Vendola.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Monti bashing PD, saying it "silences conservatives" and is dominated by views of CGIL and Vendola.

Montibot activated campaign mode.

[Zanas]

Quite a clever piece of electoral dishonesty. Might even work.

Why dishonesty?

= Pretending to be beyond left-right labels.

[Keystone Phil]

Monti bashing PD, saying it "silences conservatives" and is dominated by views of CGIL and Vendola.

Montibot activated campaign mode.

He couldn't let an opportunity to attack both sides pass him by: he also trashed PdL for "extreme positions."

Also, there could be a development with Lega and the center-right: Berlusconi is claiming (emphasis on "claiming") that he wouldn't be Prime Minister if the coalition wins. That would be pretty awesome if he presented himself just as the party leader but refused to take charge but that is probably the least believable idea out there.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Monti bashing PD, saying it "silences conservatives" and is dominated by views of CGIL and Vendola.

Montibot activated campaign mode.

He couldn't let an opportunity to attack both sides pass him by: he also trashed PdL for "extreme positions."

Also, there could be a development with Lega and the center-right: Berlusconi is claiming (emphasis on "claiming") that he wouldn't be Prime Minister if the coalition wins. That would be pretty awesome if he presented himself just as the party leader but refused to take charge but that is probably the least believable idea out there.

I heard in the news that he called Berlusconi "volatile". That made me laugh for a couple minutes.

And about Berlusconi not becoming PM if he wins...

[Andrea]

SEL presented their candidates' list today. More when I find them all in the same page...

Bersani lunched with Renzi.

New polls released in the first days of 2013

Piepoli (for Affari Italiani)

PD 33%
SEL 6%
Other CL (Tabacci, Socialists) 3%

Monti-UDC-FLI lists 12%

PdL 17%
La Destra/The Right 3%
Fratelli d’Italia (La Russa, Meloni and co) 2%
Intesa Popolare 2%

Lega 6%

M5S 11%

Ingroia's Civic Revolution 5%

Tecné (for SKY News)

PD 34.7%
SEl 4.2%
Other CL 1.4%

PDL 19.6%
La Destra/The Right 1.7%
Fratelli d'Italia 0.4

Lega 4.1%

Monti List 6.2%
UDC 4.6%
FLI 1.2%

M5S 16.3%

Ingroia's Civic Revolution 3.7%

CISE for Sole 24 Ore (late December)

Coalition supporting Bersani 36.2
Coalition supporting Monti 23.3
Coalition supporting Berlusconi 21.8
M5S  13.8

Still a lot of confusion around here.

Monti bashing PD, saying it "silences conservatives" and is dominated by views of CGIL and Vendola.

and Fassina! Bloody Fassina! Untile 1 month ago nobody knew who the hell was Fassina. Now he's one of the most talked about politicians.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Fratelli d’Italia (La Russa, Meloni and co) 2%

Fratelli d'Italia 0.4

[Keystone Phil]

Fratelli d’Italia (La Russa, Meloni and co) 2%

Fratelli d'Italia 0.4

What the hell? How are they doing that poorly? I know it just launched but still...

And who is Fassina?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Fratelli d’Italia (La Russa, Meloni and co) 2%

Fratelli d'Italia 0.4

What the hell? How are they doing that poorly? I know it just launched but still...

You mean how is it possible that people saw through the little electoral trick? I know it's a bit surprising.

Fassina is just some PD guy who is slightly less centrish than the rest. Not really notable AFAIK.

[Andrea]

It turns out SEL national executive approved just the top spots on their House and Senate lists. But basically they are the electable ones. The rest will be mainly fillers.

House

Lombardy 1: Claudio Fava, Daniele Farina, Valentina La Terza, Patrizia Quartieri
Lombardy 2: Titti Di Salvo, Luigi Lacquaniti
Lombardy 3: Franco Bordo
Piedmont 1:  Giorgio Airaudo, Celeste Costantino, Michele Curto
Piedmont 2:  Giorgio Airaudo
Veneto 1 : Alessandro Zan, Michela Faccioli
Veneto2 : Giulio Marcon , Valentina Dascanio  
Friuli Venezia Giulia: Serena Pellegrino
Liguria: Stefano Quaranta, Nico Isetta
Emilia Romagna: Francesco Ferrara, Giovanni Paglia, Cinzia Terzi
Tuscany: Martina Nardi, Marisa Nicchi, Gabriele Berni, Farihia Aidid
Umbria: Elisabetta Piccolotti
Marche: Laura Boldrini
Abruzzo: Gianni Melilla
Lazio 1: Massimiliano Smeriglio, Sergio Boccadutri, Ileana Piazzoni, Filiberto Zaratti, Cecilia D'Elia
Lazio 2: Nazzareno Pilozzi
Campania 1: Gennaro Migliore, Arturo Scotto, Antonella Cammardella
Campania 2: Gennaro Migliore, Michele Ragosta
Basilicata: Antonio Placido
Calabria: Ferdinando Aiello, Andrea Di Martino
Sicily 1: Laura Boldrini
Sicily 2: Laura Boldrini, Sofia Martino
Apulia: Nichi Vendola, Nicola Fratoianni, Annalisa Pannarale, Toni Matarrelli, Donatella Duranti, Arcangelo Sannicandro
Sardinia:  Michele Piras

Senate

Lombardy: Monica Frassoni, Tino Magni, Pina Giorgio
Piedmont: Monica Cerutti, Maria Chiara Acciarini
Veneto: Grazia Francescato, Maria Teresa Di Riso
Friuli Venezia: Grazia Francescato, Loredana Panariti
Liguria: Francesco Forgione, Carla Nattero
Emilia Romagna: Maria Luisa Boccia, Massimo Mezzetti, Elena Tagliani
Tuscany: Pape Diew, Ida Dominjanni, Alessia Petraglia, Renzo Ulivieri
Umbria: Roberto Natale
Marche: Maria Luisa Boccia
Abruzzo: Roberto Natale, Anna Suriani Camera
Lazio: Loredana De Petris, Massimo Cervellini, Maria Rita Manzo
Campania: Peppe De Cristofaro, Dino Di Palma
Basilicata: Giovanni Barozzino
Calabria: Ida Dominjanni, Eva Catizone Camera
Sicily: Francesco Forgione, Raffaele Gentile, Anna Bonforte
Apulia: Dario Stefano Giulio Volpe, Francesca Abbrescia
Sardinia: Luciano Uras

[Andrea]

And who is Fassina?

PD spokesman on economic affairs.
Don't feel bad if you don't know him. No-one really knew who he was.

[SPQR]

LOL Giuliana Sgrena didn't win SeL's primaries?

Anyway Fassina is not just the spokesman on economic affairs. He doesn't just represent the economic views of the PD,but rather contributes in creating them.
Personally,I like that he's open to criticizing monetary economics and so on,I just don't like his personality. He is way too conflictual.
And he is also too close to the unions.

[Andrea]

LOL Giuliana Sgrena didn't win SeL's primaries?

Not only she didn't win it, but she finished 4th (last place) in the female section

[Iannis]

Quite a clever piece of electoral dishonesty. Might even work.

Why dishonesty?

= Pretending to be beyond left-right labels.

that's because he wants to stress the point that both official right and left don't want to change so much about the rules of economy about liberalizations and labour laws, and so he can be labeled in that way, maybe liberal, socialdemocratic, statalist, populist, are better labels for the politics now, but always not exact.

[Zanas]

You can say what you want but there is literally no way in hell Monti can be labelled as anything other than right-wing.

[Keystone Phil]

This is clearly the face of someone who will take the campaign trail by storm! The piazzas will be packed with delirious fans.

[LastVoter]

You can say what you want but there is literally no way in hell Monti can be labelled as anything other than right-wing.

Isn't the left fairly stable at ~35% in Italy, but never wins?

[Tender Branson]

This is clearly the face of someone who will take the campaign trail by storm! The piazzas will be packed with delirious fans.

The most overrated election this year. Focus on Austria instead. Much more