Does “If there’s one Nazi at a table with 10 people, there’s 10 Nazis” apply to current protests?
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« on: May 09, 2024, 01:23:28 PM »

One of the most common sayings is “If you have one Nazi sitting a table with ten people, then you have ten Nazis sitting at the table”, often meaning that affiliation with something is support. Does that statement apply to current anti-Israel protesters, at least some of whom have strong antisemitic beliefs?
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2024, 01:52:00 PM »

One of the most common sayings is “If you have one Nazi sitting a table with ten people, then you have ten Nazis sitting at the table”, often meaning that affiliation with something is support. Does that statement apply to current anti-Israel protesters, at least some of whom have strong antisemitic beliefs?


It only apply when the other side share table with a Nazi. When you do it, the Nazi is not a Nazi at all or it’s far more complex and blabla.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2024, 03:00:47 PM »

One of the most common sayings is “If you have one Nazi sitting a table with ten people, then you have ten Nazis sitting at the table”, often meaning that affiliation with something is support. Does that statement apply to current anti-Israel protesters, at least some of whom have strong antisemitic beliefs?
This statement is bullsh**t to begin with.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2024, 04:38:54 PM »

Well there's a big difference between a non-nazi consciously being at a table with a Nazi and a bunch of misinformed, well-meaning people being in the same protest with a couple Hitlers.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2024, 04:59:32 PM »

It's really more like a couple of hundred Nazis at a concert with a few thousand non-Nazis and confused people. It's less of a deliberate decision, and harder to get rid of them, but at a certain point they're still making a choice.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2024, 05:18:17 PM »

TIL college protesters are Nazis.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2024, 05:38:28 PM »

It wasn't true when applied to any other context, so why should it be true here?
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2024, 05:58:36 PM »

It shouldn't apply in any case, I think.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2024, 06:06:29 PM »

One of the most common sayings is “If you have one Nazi sitting a table with ten people, then you have ten Nazis sitting at the table”, often meaning that affiliation with something is support. Does that statement apply to current anti-Israel protesters, at least some of whom have strong antisemitic beliefs?
This statement is bullsh**t to begin with.

Exactly, an incredibly stupid and zero sum statement designed to shut down any kind of debate on certain matters.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2024, 06:10:36 PM »

Yeah, nah.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2024, 06:20:53 PM »

That's not really equivalent to a protest where anyone can show up.

If a nazi is at a dining table, you either invited them, or they're doing an 'Impractical Jokers' prank.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2024, 06:23:39 PM »

It wasn't true when applied to any other context, so why should it be true here?

Why doesn't it apply in other contexts?
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2024, 06:51:56 PM »

It wasn't true when applied to any other context, so why should it be true here?

Why doesn't it apply in other contexts?



Are there two communists pictured here?
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2024, 07:08:27 PM »

It wasn't true when applied to any other context, so why should it be true here?

Why doesn't it apply in other contexts?



TIL I learned Herbert Hoover was a Nazi
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2024, 07:08:52 PM »

It wasn't true when applied to any other context, so why should it be true here?

Why doesn't it apply in other contexts?



Are there two communists pictured here?
The John Birch Society says yes.
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2024, 07:11:41 PM »

It wasn't true when applied to any other context, so why should it be true here?

Why doesn't it apply in other contexts?



Are there two communists pictured here?
I mean……..
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2024, 09:10:47 PM »


Behold: ten sinners.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2024, 09:12:29 PM »

Bronz at home:
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2024, 09:13:33 PM »

It must be bad when my autistic a** understands metaphors and how phrases work better than atlas.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2024, 10:32:20 PM »

Do any of the current protests involve sitting at a table with Nazis?
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2024, 10:42:56 PM »

It must be bad when my autistic a** understands metaphors and how phrases work better than atlas.

Obama should never have affiliated himself with liberal Republicans to get Obamacare passed, for in doing so, he outed himself as a sinister, fascistic Republican.

Churchill allying with Stalin to defeat the greater threat of the Nazis meant that he outed himself as a diehard Bolshevik. It need not matter that the common goal was greater than the sum of ideological differneces - no.

Any compromise, with anyone we disagree with ever, makes us THEM; Any reaching across the aisle to get a common goal passed, makes us nothing more than who we hate.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2024, 10:46:30 PM »

It must be bad when my autistic a** understands metaphors and how phrases work better than atlas.

Obama should never have affiliated himself with liberal Republicans to get Obamacare passed, for in doing so, he outed himself as a sinister, fascistic Republican.

Churchill allying with Stalin to defeat the greater threat of the Nazis meant that he outed himself as a diehard Bolshevik. It need not matter that the common goal was greater than the sum of ideological differneces - no.

Any compromise, with anyone we disagree with ever, makes us THEM; Any reaching across the aisle to get a common goal passed, makes us nothing more than who we hate.
Hey look, more proof of my point!
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2024, 10:56:18 PM »

Not really, a more fitting phrase would be 'If you accept an invitation to a dinner party held by a Nazi, you're a Nazi'
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2024, 10:59:31 PM »

It must be bad when my autistic a** understands metaphors and how phrases work better than atlas.

Obama should never have affiliated himself with liberal Republicans to get Obamacare passed, for in doing so, he outed himself as a sinister, fascistic Republican.

Churchill allying with Stalin to defeat the greater threat of the Nazis meant that he outed himself as a diehard Bolshevik. It need not matter that the common goal was greater than the sum of ideological differneces - no.

Any compromise, with anyone we disagree with ever, makes us THEM; Any reaching across the aisle to get a common goal passed, makes us nothing more than who we hate.
Hey look, more proof of my point!

The argument that the OP is attempting to make by using an already shaky metaphor is that the protestors having elements of antisemites within their midst makes all of them, by affiliation, antisemites. I personally find the argument groundless. Every protest movement in the history of protest movement has bad actors as part of it; and has made odd bedfellows that would not normally work together.

Not every American against the Vietnam War was on the same page as Jane Fonda; both however had the common goal of bringing the war to an end. The common goal here is the end of the Israeli War and restoration of peace there.

Not every civil rights activist in the 1960s sought a more peaceful America. Some of course separated equality and equity. Some also favored a permanent separation. MLK and Malcolm X sat down and reasoned together many a time; and ultimately their joint goal was the uplifting of the Black man. That they had near opposite visions of what that uplifting would mean was immaterial.

Given the complexity of this conflict there of course various interpretations of what that peace must entail and what the geopolitics of the region after should be. Some simply want peace for peace's sake. Some seek a two state solution. Some seek more, some seek less. Some others seek Israel ceasing to exist, sadly. The common denominator between all is that they want peace in that region.

Many college students do genuinely feel that the actions there constitute an ethic cleansing. Whether you agree with that assessment of the crisis or not is immaterial.

That their movement may have some members whose end goal is more sinister than most does not discredit the movement as a whole.

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2024, 11:03:11 PM »

Not really, a more fitting phrase would be 'If you accept an invitation to a dinner party held by a Nazi, you're a Nazi'

What if you accept the dinner invitation with the goal of attempting to debate and attempting to reach the humanity of said person?

Going beyond Nazis, we in this country have shut ourselves in in the last 8 years from opposing viewpoints increasingly. We demonize those we disagree with, and close our hearts, our ears, and minds to their arguments, and they in turn harden their hearts just as equally. We have shut ourselves away from disagreement and created echo chambers for one another, both on the left and on the right.

Sitting at a table or being in the same room with a metaphorical Nazi does not make one such. Enabling their actions, or appeasing their actions, or supporting their actions does.
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