Hotter, Badder, and Unpopularer Takes

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Anyone who argues "The Civil War was about state's rights" is just being a troll

You think this claim is hot? That's like the default position of 80% of Atlas.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Overpopulation is the biggest threat to the world, primarily because the rock solid foundations of morality and ethics (rightfully so) preclude any action taken against this because....well, it's just flat out screwed up.

Like terminal cancer, we must simply live to learn with this concern. I encourage you all to do your part by starting smoking.

[Hindsight was 2020]

God set the coronavirus on us to get rid of Trump and stop climate change #oldtestiment

[Grassroots]

America should have a two round system like France, with a jungle primary then a two-way runoff.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

If this hypothetically continues into November Trump is f2cked

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Anyone who argues "The Civil War was about state's rights" is just being a troll

You think this claim is hot? That's like the default position of 80% of Atlas.

Maybe 80% of Atlas Republicans, definitely not 80% of Atlas.  Besides, you forget we have quite a few posters here who don't automatically think of the Counterrevolutionary War for Slaveholders' Rights when they hear the phrase "Civil War". The British War for Divine Right and the World War II dress rehearsal come to mind.

[RINO Tom]

Anyone who argues "The Civil War was about state's rights" is just being a troll

You think this claim is hot? That's like the default position of 80% of Atlas.

Maybe 80% of Atlas Republicans, definitely not 80% of Atlas.  Besides, you forget we have quite a few posters here who don't automatically think of the Counterrevolutionary War for Slaveholders' Rights when they hear the phrase "Civil War". The British War for Divine Right and the World War II dress rehearsal come to mind.

80% of Atlas Republicans absolutely do not believe that.  49% of ACTUAL Republicans say slavery was the main cause (which, I guarantee implies that a very healthy majority of Republicans outside of the South agree with this ... no?), so I would imagine Atlas Republicans would be even higher.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us150722/CivilWar/McClatchy-Marist%20Poll_National%20Release%20and%20Tables_The%20Confederate%20Flag_August%202015.pdf

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Anyone who argues "The Civil War was about state's rights" is just being a troll

You think this claim is hot? That's like the default position of 80% of Atlas.

Maybe 80% of Atlas Republicans, definitely not 80% of Atlas.  Besides, you forget we have quite a few posters here who don't automatically think of the Counterrevolutionary War for Slaveholders' Rights when they hear the phrase "Civil War". The British War for Divine Right and the World War II dress rehearsal come to mind.

80% of Atlas Republicans absolutely do not believe that.  49% of ACTUAL Republicans say slavery was the main cause (which, I guarantee implies that a very healthy majority of Republicans outside of the South agree with this ... no?), so I would imagine Atlas Republicans would be even higher.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us150722/CivilWar/McClatchy-Marist%20Poll_National%20Release%20and%20Tables_The%20Confederate%20Flag_August%202015.pdf

You have a higher opinion of posters here than I do.  That said, I used 80% only because that was the figure given for Atlas as a whole in the post I quoted.

However, I must take objection to the idea that Northern whites are generally better on racial issues.  The reason Northern voters generally preferred the Republicans in 1860 was definitely not that they thought Blacks should be free, they were more interested in making certain they stayed in the South. For many Republican voters in 1860, the only good things about Blacks were that they weren't Catholics or Jews.

[RINO Tom]

Anyone who argues "The Civil War was about state's rights" is just being a troll

You think this claim is hot? That's like the default position of 80% of Atlas.

Maybe 80% of Atlas Republicans, definitely not 80% of Atlas.  Besides, you forget we have quite a few posters here who don't automatically think of the Counterrevolutionary War for Slaveholders' Rights when they hear the phrase "Civil War". The British War for Divine Right and the World War II dress rehearsal come to mind.

80% of Atlas Republicans absolutely do not believe that.  49% of ACTUAL Republicans say slavery was the main cause (which, I guarantee implies that a very healthy majority of Republicans outside of the South agree with this ... no?), so I would imagine Atlas Republicans would be even higher.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us150722/CivilWar/McClatchy-Marist%20Poll_National%20Release%20and%20Tables_The%20Confederate%20Flag_August%202015.pdf

You have a higher opinion of posters here than I do.  That said, I used 80% only because that was the figure given for Atlas as a whole in the post I quoted.

However, I must take objection to the idea that Northern whites are generally better on racial issues.  The reason Northern voters generally preferred the Republicans in 1860 was definitely not that they thought Blacks should be free, they were more interested in making certain they stayed in the South. For many Republican voters in 1860, the only good things about Blacks were that they weren't Catholics or Jews.

I did not mean to say this at all.  One of my favorite electives in college was an advanced Civil War & Reconstruction class, and I'm well aware of the complexities.  My final paper was actually on Northern Whites displaying no noticeable racial "enlightenment" compared to White Southerners, using primary sources of Connecticut and Rhode Island soldiers writing home.

What I AM saying is that, undoubtedly, the belief that the Civil War was not primarily about slavery is MUCH more prevalent in the South than in another regions of the country, mostly among White Southerners.  So, if 49% of Republicans don't hold that belief, and it's reasonable to assume that the healthy majority of SOUTHERN Republicans (pretty much all of whom are White) DO hold that belief, it would statistically imply that modern day Republicans in Northern states believe the war was mostly about slavery in pretty healthy numbers ... just to get that final statistic to look like that.  In other words, the 51% are likely heavily from the South, and the 49% are likely heavily from other regions, making non-Southern Republicans pretty heavily behind the believe that the war was, indeed, primarily about slavery.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What I AM saying is that, undoubtedly, the belief that the Civil War was not primarily about slavery is MUCH more prevalent in the South than in another regions of the country, mostly among White Southerners.

In the absence of actual polling numbers, I'll certainly doubt it as it sounds to me like just another variant of the "noble Northerners" hagiography that tries to paint racism as a uniquely Southern characteristic.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

In each geographic region but the South, poll respondents say slavery was the main reason for the war:

– By a large percentage, respondents in the West say slavery was the main reason, 67-27 percent.

– In the Midwest, 56-39 percent say slavery was the main reason.

– In the Northeast, 50-43 percent say slavery was the main reason.

But the response changes for Southerners, who say slavery wasn’t the main reason for the Civil War, 49-45 percent.

It's not "much" different for the north and south - but the west is a pretty radically different view. Not even holding other variables constant could really explain that difference.

[RINO Tom]

What I AM saying is that, undoubtedly, the belief that the Civil War was not primarily about slavery is MUCH more prevalent in the South than in another regions of the country, mostly among White Southerners.

In the absence of actual polling numbers, I'll certainly doubt it as it sounds to me like just another variant of the "noble Northerners" hagiography that tries to paint racism as a uniquely Southern characteristic.

I don’t think it’s that as much as regional tribalism.  Would you seriously question the assumption that there is zero regional correlation between a Republicans’ views on this?  I mean, that’d imply 49% of Southern Republicans responded that way.  Could be, but I’d be surprised.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What I AM saying is that, undoubtedly, the belief that the Civil War was not primarily about slavery is MUCH more prevalent in the South than in another regions of the country, mostly among White Southerners.

In the absence of actual polling numbers, I'll certainly doubt it as it sounds to me like just another variant of the "noble Northerners" hagiography that tries to paint racism as a uniquely Southern characteristic.

I don’t think it’s that as much as regional tribalism.  Would you seriously question the assumption that there is zero regional correlation between a Republicans’ views on this?  I mean, that’d imply 49% of Southern Republicans responded that way.  Could be, but I’d be surprised.

As was posted in the post between ours, the real outlier is the West, which of the four Census regions is the one whose inhabitants least define themselves by what happened in the Civil War. I think the numbers for the Northeast and Midwest reflect that the primary war aim of the North was not to destroy Slavery but to preserve the Union. However, there would've been no need for a war to preserve the Union if the South had not attempted secession to preserve Slavery. So while slavery was not the issue that galvanized the North into fighting, it was the issue that made a fight not only possible but inevitable.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Internet porn created both incel movement and our modern rape culture because an entire generation of young males first introduction to sex was through internet porn and it has lead to many not having a healthy outlook or understanding of sex

[John Dule]

Internet porn created both incel movement and our modern rape culture because an entire generation of young males first introduction to sexual was through internet porn and it has lead to many not having a healthy outlook or understanding of sex

It also created furries.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Internet porn created both incel movement and our modern rape culture because an entire generation of young males first introduction to sexual was through internet porn and it has lead to many not having a healthy outlook or understanding of sex

It also created furries.

Yes but that’s a good thing

[Hammy]

If this hypothetically continues into November Trump is f2cked

My unpopular take is if this lasts into November there's going to be a massive turnout reduction, with urban areas potentially taking the biggest hits (and swinging hardest to Trump) as most voters who take public transportation aren't able to make it to the polls.

[morgankingsley]

The 2020 board in one post

25 percent is "lol trump will win in 355 landslide" then proceeds to argue over said statement

25 percent is "lmao no trump will lose in a 412 defeat" then proceeds to argue over said statement

20 percent is "reactionary statement about one candidates current situation that makes them sound more likely to win or lose"

10 percent is "#willvirginiaflip"

10 percent is OC posts

5 percent is "omg react to this map"

4 percent is third party related

1 percent is actual quality discussion

[KaiserDave]

Internet porn created both incel movement and our modern rape culture because an entire generation of young males first introduction to sexual was through internet porn and it has lead to many not having a healthy outlook or understanding of sex

It also created furries.

Yes but that’s a good thing

You had me.......then you lost me.

[morgankingsley]

Internet porn created both incel movement and our modern rape culture because an entire generation of young males first introduction to sex was through internet porn and it has lead to many not having a healthy outlook or understanding of sex

I'm glad you understand the brutal truth for what it is and can speak on it.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Internet porn created both incel movement and our modern rape culture because an entire generation of young males first introduction to sexual was through internet porn and it has lead to many not having a healthy outlook or understanding of sex

It also created furries.

Yes but that’s a good thing

You had me.......then you lost me.

That was a joke fwi

[KaiserDave]

Internet porn created both incel movement and our modern rape culture because an entire generation of young males first introduction to sexual was through internet porn and it has lead to many not having a healthy outlook or understanding of sex

It also created furries.

Yes but that’s a good thing

You had me.......then you lost me.

That was a joke fwi

Oh thank god

Good
Good

[Deblano]

Libertarianism/Classical Liberalism is against human nature. Most people support and crave a strong centralized government, especially in times of crisis.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Anyone who argues "The Civil War was about state's rights" is just being a troll

You think this claim is hot? That's like the default position of 80% of Atlas.

Maybe 80% of Atlas Republicans, definitely not 80% of Atlas.  Besides, you forget we have quite a few posters here who don't automatically think of the Counterrevolutionary War for Slaveholders' Rights when they hear the phrase "Civil War". The British War for Divine Right and the World War II dress rehearsal come to mind.

80% of Atlas Republicans absolutely do not believe that.  49% of ACTUAL Republicans say slavery was the main cause (which, I guarantee implies that a very healthy majority of Republicans outside of the South agree with this ... no?), so I would imagine Atlas Republicans would be even higher.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us150722/CivilWar/McClatchy-Marist%20Poll_National%20Release%20and%20Tables_The%20Confederate%20Flag_August%202015.pdf

You have a higher opinion of posters here than I do.  That said, I used 80% only because that was the figure given for Atlas as a whole in the post I quoted.

However, I must take objection to the idea that Northern whites are generally better on racial issues.  The reason Northern voters generally preferred the Republicans in 1860 was definitely not that they thought Blacks should be free, they were more interested in making certain they stayed in the South. For many Republican voters in 1860, the only good things about Blacks were that they weren't Catholics or Jews.

I take objection to your objection. Obviously the Northern whites were made up of multitudes and even the unionists had their various reasons for supporting the cause. But to argue the defense of the Union was merely a cynical enterprise of Know Nothings falls short. Are we supposed to believe the radical evangelicals who sprung up in their multitudes in the 1820's and 30's demanding immediate emancipation were merely nativist scum? As for the Union soldiers, a lot of them essentially became radicalized as the war approached and dragged on: what started as mere patriotic outrage at the South for attacking the flag broadened into moral denunciations of slavery as an institution (this is according to James McPherson's research).

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Single people should get double the Trump bucks, seeing as it’s no longer acceptable to meet strangers.