Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'd like to protest the complete inability of this Senate to do things. You have a long to-do list, including possibly calling a Constitutional Convention, reshaping the government. Let's see some discussions and voting here.

Senators would much rather partake of the well-known pleasures of this city's red light district, following, as they do, in the fine example of that greatest of Senators, Naso.

[Associate Justice PiT]

The Malay government is improving and is hardly Nazi Germany.  Free trade would encourage further governmental transparency and economic fairness within the country while going through the effort to give them the economic finger would have the opposite effect.

MEEEKER MEEKER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKER

     There's nothing keeping you from posting in the thread of the bill itself.

[Lunar]

I shall then.  I don't know how things work

[Associate Justice PiT]

     It's fine. Truth is, you can hang out in bill threads as much as you want. People only get angry if you try to vote on bills.

[Lunar]

     It's fine. Truth is, you can hang out in bill threads as much as you want. People only get angry if you try to vote on bills.

I might try that sometime, sounds like fun

[Associate Justice PiT]

     On the other hand, if you just quote posts they might get angry anyway. Input is always welcome though.

[Lunar]

No more Clogging?

[Purple State]

     It's fine. Truth is, you can hang out in bill threads as much as you want. People only get angry if you try to vote on bills.

Ilikeverin yelled at me before. Tried to shoo me!

Beware Lunar. He may come for you too.

[ilikeverin]

     It's fine. Truth is, you can hang out in bill threads as much as you want. People only get angry if you try to vote on bills.

Ilikeverin yelled at me before. Tried to shoo me!

Beware Lunar. He may come for you too.

*foams at mouth*

[Associate Justice PiT]

     It's fine. Truth is, you can hang out in bill threads as much as you want. People only get angry if you try to vote on bills.

Ilikeverin yelled at me before. Tried to shoo me!

Beware Lunar. He may come for you too.

     He was joking.

[Lunar]

Nevermind, we need to clog before our clogging rights are taken away

[Purple State]

     It's fine. Truth is, you can hang out in bill threads as much as you want. People only get angry if you try to vote on bills.

Ilikeverin yelled at me before. Tried to shoo me!

Beware Lunar. He may come for you too.

     He was joking.

I know. So was I.

[ilikeverin]

     It's fine. Truth is, you can hang out in bill threads as much as you want. People only get angry if you try to vote on bills.

Ilikeverin yelled at me before. Tried to shoo me!

Beware Lunar. He may come for you too.

     He was joking.

Back in my day, such actions were not allowed.

[Purple State]

So the President called for 4CC. What now?

[Lunar]

ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

[Purple State]

Due to recent drama in Atlasia, I would like a Senator to bring forward ethical reforms to prevent actions that are harmful to Atlasia, whether through manipulation or abuse of power.

[Lief 🗽]

Could you be more specific?

[Purple State]

Could you be more specific?

We need laws so that we can deal with Xahar and his intimidation of users. We need laws addressing slander, libel, and other false claims. We need laws outlining unethical standards for political office so that abuses of power are not allowed to go unpunished.

Without these Atlasia will keep deteriorating. We lose the trust of new members and the interest of current members when these issues are left unaddressed.

[Peter]

The Xahar Amendment
1. The user known as Xahar is banned from the Republic of Atlasia for life. Any future alias or account he may adopt is also banned.
2. If Xahar is found to have registered under another alias or account, then the President shall present evidence to the Senate, who may then strike the account from the voter rolls by ordinary legislation.
3. Any person banned under clause 2 of this Amendment, may appeal the facts of their case to the Supreme Court, whose decision on the matter shall be final.
Ethics laws are by their nature hard to draft, but if you want to bar Xahar permenantly, this is about the only legal way - Constitutional Amendment.

[Purple State]

The Xahar Amendment
1. The user known as Xahar is banned from the Republic of Atlasia for life. Any future alias or account he may adopt is also banned.
2. If Xahar is found to have registered under another alias or account, then the President shall present evidence to the Senate, who may then strike the account from the voter rolls by ordinary legislation.
3. Any person banned under clause 2 of this Amendment, may appeal the facts of their case to the Supreme Court, whose decision on the matter shall be final.
Ethics laws are by their nature hard to draft, but if you want to bar Xahar permenantly, this is about the only legal way - Constitutional Amendment.

I'll take that.

I guess other ethical standards are really up to the president to implement by executive order. What about libel laws? Are those allowed without an amendment?

EDIT: Oh, and welcome back Peter.

[Peter]

EDIT: Oh, and welcome back Peter.

I've been busy, but watching. I suppose I ought to do the decent thing and resign from the mideast assembly given that I have no intention of continuing with the position.

[Purple State]

EDIT: Oh, and welcome back Peter.

I've been busy, but watching. I suppose I ought to do the decent thing and resign from the mideast assembly given that I have no intention of continuing with the position.

Eh, if you could just pop in with some votes every so often when you're watching that would be more respected than some other inactive user.

[Lief 🗽]

I'm incredibly opposed to that amendment. First, I don't think we should be amending our constitution to ban people from the game. Second, Xahar was already found guilty of a crime and sentenced to a punishment. Passing this amendment to punish him further for no additional proven crimes would go against the republican and liberal ideals of our constitution, is cruel and unusual punishment, and is something very close to double jeopardy (it probably has a real name, but I'm not a lawyer).

[Peter]

I'm incredibly opposed to that amendment. First, I don't think we should be amending our constitution to ban people from the game. Second, Xahar was already found guilty of a crime and sentenced to a punishment. Passing this amendment to punish him further for no additional proven crimes would go against the republican and liberal ideals of our constitution, is cruel and unusual punishment, and is something very close to double jeopardy (it probably has a real name, but I'm not a lawyer).

Without question it is a bill of attainder - it would undoubtedly be struck down if passed as a statute. We're going down a constitutional road to avoid any legal conflict with the bill of rights (though certainly it has a philosophical conflict). It would appear that he has been committing further crimes, however, it is also apparent that we could not try him as he will be unable to mount a defence (being banned!), therefore a trial is at this point inappropriate. Given that a trial probably won't be able to start in time to satisfy our speedy trial laws, we only have a constitutional option.

[Franzl]

I think a reasonable case could be made in court once he returns.

I'm kind of reluctant to support the amendment here....it doesn't seem appropriate in a democratic game.

On the other hand, it does seem it would protect Atlasia, regardless of principle.

Still...wouldn't it make more sense to try him in court once he gets back?

Apparently, there is some proof concerning Marokai Blue's account. I have not seen any proof yet, but it seems quite probable. We could always give him the maximum penalty for that, and that'd get rid of the problem for a while at least.