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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: December 20, 2012, 10:02:02 PM »

A ludicrous claim for several reasons.  First off, there is no reason to assume that all of Birney's votes would have gone to Clay in such a scenario.  Secondly, Polk's margin would have gone up in the first round (tho not enough to bring him above 50%) if South Carolina participated in a popular vote.  Third, in any such rematch with slavery being brought up as an issue, Clay would lose a fair chunk of his southern support for precisely that reason.

Indeed, had the Presidency been elected by the popular vote with a runoff, the Civil War would at the very least been delayed a while, for it would have been impossible for the Republicans to win the White House under such a scenario.
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 01:29:26 AM »

I honestly believe Australia has the best system in the world, i.e. the parties congresmen/women & senators vote for who they want to lead, then depending on how many electorates you win, you become President with the ruling party.

IRV is mediocre, though, and can lead to unrepresentative results. It also does, on its own, protect against gerrymandering (though Australia presumably has some sort of independent district-drawing committee; not sure how it works). And the Australian Senate is possibly even worse than the US Senate, though at least it doesn't have arcane cloture rules.

Indeed, had the Presidency been elected by the popular vote with a runoff, the Civil War would at the very least been delayed a while, for it would have been impossible for the Republicans to win the White House under such a scenario.

Debatable at best. Given the choice between Lincoln and Breckinridge, I suspect most Douglas voters would have gone with Lincoln. At the very least, not enough would have gone with Breckinridge for him to win, since Breckinridge + Bell was still well short of Lincoln. Of course, Breckinridge voters would have reluctantly supported Douglas, but the breakdown of the Democratic Party would have been more severe at that point, and you have no guarantee that a Douglas type would ever manage the nomination (probably not).

Nah. For all of Breckinridge's faults, he was still a Democrat.  Most Douglas supporters would have voted Breckenridge if there was only a choice between him and Lincoln with his wicked Whiggish ways.  Of course, the idea that party politics would have remained the same under such a different method of electing Presidents is somewhat ludicrous.
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