Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Gass3268]

why are you so sure it won't pass the senate?

baffle with BS, ryan-talk and push it through with 50 votes.

Because McConnell isn't dumb.

This won't get 50 votes in the senate. They will write their own bill.

Which will still be bad, but not this bad.

[Yank2133]

why are you so sure it won't pass the senate?

baffle with BS, ryan-talk and push it through with 50 votes.

Because McConnell isn't dumb.

This won't get 50 votes in the senate. They will write their own bill.

Which will still be bad, but not this bad.

No doubt.

[Ichabod]

And their own bill doesn't have the 50 votes they need, as McConnell just said today

[I Won - Get Over It]

And their own bill doesn't have the 50 votes they need, as McConnell just said today

Meaning 'it won't pass until Trump is back to 43-45%'

[Antonio the Sixth]

So does this fit the reconciliation criteria or do they need to go back to the drawing board?

[Yank2133]

And their own bill doesn't have the 50 votes they need, as McConnell just said today

Meaning 'it won't pass until Trump is back to 43-45%'

No, it won't pass until they can figure out a way to not screw over their constituents so openly (which they can't.....)

The house can get away with this sort of nonsense, but the Senate can't.

[GeorgiaModerate]

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800%!!!!!

To be pedantic, the increase is 700%.  (To be clear: I'm not defending in the slightest this abomination of a bill.)

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Well, GOP, good luck winning anything if you pass this - you will lose the senior vote by YUGE landslides in every state.

[ApatheticAustrian]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/867502909591826432

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/867502909591826432

OMG the Twitter replies are fantastic XD Trumpers are melting

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Maybe we should just keep ObamaCare...oh right, we can't support anything that's done by a black guy...except when he wants to expand Medicaid in red states.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So does this fit the reconciliation criteria or do they need to go back to the drawing board?

[The_Doctor]

So does this fit the reconciliation criteria or do they need to go back to the drawing board?

Depends on the Byrd Bath, now. It can go to the Senate but the Parliamentarian may strike portions of it or the Senate could amend to be Byrd compliant.

[GeorgiaModerate]

TrumpCare may very well be dead:

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Killed by a pre-existing condition.

[The_Doctor]

TrumpCare may very well be dead:

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As I translate it, they plan to tell McConnell this anyway. They know the town halls will be full of anti-AHCA stuff. "Several" suggests it's a planned action. However, Topher Spiro is a liberal advocate, right?

So I wouldn't necessarily buy in.

EDIT: Yeah, he's a liberal advocate. I don't know why the GOP Senators would be telling him and not a reporter who would not already have leaked that.

[Shadows]

Mulvaney had a testy exchange with Sanders & what he effectively said that CBO puts out bad data, is wrong & what not.

Sanders went hard after him that Tom Price appointed Keith Hall for the CBO not a radical Democrat & the integrity of the person is attacked in a vicious way because they don't agree with the results !

[The_Doctor]

Bloomberg putting Cassidy as the hardest GOP Senator who won't vote aye. Louisiana expanded Medicaid under Gov. Edwards, and it's a populist Southern state. So, automatically, with Collins and Cassidy out, they're at 50, and this is with Heller and Flake agreeing to go with the current (I'm not seeing it). Ditto Capito, who comes from one of the poorest states - West Virginia.

The biggest thing for the GOP Senators is going to be Medicaid's expansion and the preexisting clause/community ratings. These go to the heart of the repeal and it's going to be extraordinarily difficult to repeal them without a viable replacement. The House barely passed it in the hopes the Senate would fix the law.

We'll see, but the Constitution has put the Senate, historically, as the "cooling chamber," e.g, the chamber that doesn't pass laws without broad based support. The ACA took a year to pass and it had like break even support (and they had unified GOP support and a President who had break even approval ratings). This law doesn't' even have near that level of support.

I'm just not seeing the win here happening.

The bigger problem is that if the Senate kills it, the House was hung out to dry without a bill to pass. They passed what they did with the expectation the Senate would clean up the mess. This really puts a lot of pressure on House Republicans to force Senate Republicans to pass a bill.

How they reconcile these two mutual facts is beyond me. The most logical solution is to patch the ACA and hope the base swallows it. It would also strongly be in their best interests to work with the Democrats to pass a fix to cover their behinds.

Oh, a lovely wrinkle. The default vote may be in July, meaning the Democrats may extort the ACA  staying alive as their pound of flesh since the House Freedom Caucus, for some amazing reason, is trying to extort the GOP leadership.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere. ObamaCare is dead - the Republicans will do much better!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868979531641741313


problem solved.

[The_Doctor]

I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere. ObamaCare is dead - the Republicans will do much better!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868979531641741313


problem solved.

What is he talking about...?

[ApatheticAustrian]

I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere. ObamaCare is dead - the Republicans will do much better!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868979531641741313


problem solved.

What is he talking about...?

the house version seems stuck in the senate and becomes quite unpopular, so he suggests to put more money into it.

meadows and al will be THRILLED.

[Yank2133]

I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere. ObamaCare is dead - the Republicans will do much better!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868979531641741313


problem solved.

What is he talking about...?

the house version seems stuck in the senate and becomes quite unpopular, so he suggests to put more money into it.

meadows and al will be THRILLED.

The senate never picked up the house version.

Trump is a clown, he has zero understanding how any of this stuff works. It is sad that it would take major recession/catastrophe for many Americans to realize that the President of the United States is clueless moron.

[The_Doctor]

Isn't the Senate bill barred from having more money than the House plan? E.g if it saves $119 billion that's how much it must save under reconciliation?

[Technocracy Timmy]

Trump complaining about the 60 vote threshold on Twitter; wants it to be a 51 vote instead:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/869553853750013953

[Beet]

Trump complaining about the 60 vote threshold on Twitter; wants it to be a 51 vote instead:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/869553853750013953

So a minority president who was elected with 46% of the vote wants to get rid of a check and balance that protects the majority who didn't vote for him so he can ram through his program with impunity. Disgusting.

[Gass3268]

Trump complaining about the 60 vote threshold on Twitter; wants it to be a 51 vote instead:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/869553853750013953

The funny thing is the health care bill (and I think taxes) will be decided by a 51 vote threshold.