Labor Party Standing Committee thread: Endorsement voting

[LastVoter]

I would like to ask a chairman to hold a vote on finding/fielding a new candidate to the left of the liberal party but less extremist/more electable than tweed.

Something like this:

Should we try to field our own candidate or recruit a new presidential candidate to endorse?
[]yes
[]no

I would support this in theory, but I believe that we have a relative lack of options at this time.

Let's hold a vote, though. Voting is for forty-eight hours.



Should we try to field our own candidate or recruit a new presidential candidate to endorse?
[ ]Aye
[ ]Nay

Results: 2 Aye's 0 Nay's
Bgwah would you consider running under Labor ticket(without Tweed)? We will hold a vote if you say yes.

[LastVoter]

The obvious needs to be said: we are all behind snowy right?

[LastVoter]

A labor candidate running would benefit other left-candidates, A lot of labor voters wouldn't turn out if there wasn't one(as can be seen by the overall death of the thread).

[LastVoter]

Where is Nathan? Also do any of you guys not support Snowstalker for president?

[LastVoter]

In theory Labor party should disband if we don't get 75% support for our own candidate, since we are really doing nothing productive.

[LastVoter]

In theory Labor party should disband if we don't get 75% support for our own candidate, since we are really doing nothing productive.

Like how the Liberal Party got 0% in the last Senate election? Again, I fail to understand your desire for hyperpartisanship for the sake of hyperpartisanship. What happened to Atlasia first?

Liberal party failed to nominate a single candidate. Look what happened to their turnout. same thing will happen to the Labor party if we can't shore up the support for our candidate. Our parties are doing a disservice to people sharing their ideologies, and we would *gasp* lose another election to right-wingers. It would be better for Tweed to form a radical left party and take the dissatisfied Labor members and have the rest of Labor go into the Liberal party if the Labor doesn't want to support it's own candidate.

[LastVoter]

You have a candidate with a 31% favorability, what do you expect? It isn't the Liberals fault that Labor candidates didn't run a GOTV and you already acknowledged that mistake so I don't see why you are falsely attributing it to anything else. If the Liberals were in the race there was no way you guys would have won two seats, you know. All your candidate is doing is splitting the vote with me and Tweed to help elect a right winger or centrist ticket which is totally counterproductive especially since we know Clarence would beat Snowstalker or Tweed if they happen to get that far. It causes division that isn't needed and takes focus off of the archconservative Whigs.

If a Liberal was in the race, we could of had 2 Labor and 1 Liberal elected to the Senate. Even up to four left wingers+ Andrew. Also i doubt that Labor turnout could have been much higher, maybe one or two votes.

[LastVoter]

In theory Labor party should disband if we don't get 75% support for our own candidate, since we are really doing nothing productive.

Like how the Liberal Party got 0% in the last Senate election? Again, I fail to understand your desire for hyperpartisanship for the sake of hyperpartisanship. What happened to Atlasia first?

Liberal party failed to nominate a single candidate. Look what happened to their turnout. same thing will happen to the Labor party if we can't shore up the support for our candidate. Our parties are doing a disservice to people sharing their ideologies, and we would *gasp* lose another election to right-wingers. It would be better for Tweed to form a radical left party and take the dissatisfied Labor members and have the rest of Labor go into the Liberal party if the Labor doesn't want to support it's own candidate.

Would you seriously prefer President Clarence to President Napoleon?

I personally am intending to vote for Napoleon because a) he has the best chance at winning and b) Snowstalker's crazy post-election rant kinda turned me off to the idea of him running in elections, frankly.

I respect the fact that we want the most left-wing candidate possible (excluding people like Tweed and such), but infighting like this is going to tear down the Atlasian left. We have the same ideas; it's the Whigs who are our enemies.

Right now I would vote
Snowy
Napoleon
Tweed
Rest of the left

[LastVoter]

The reality of the situation is that I am the most left wing ticket possible, Tweed and Snowstalker have net unfavorable ratings and perform poorly in match ups. I thought we learned a lesson about the Lefts approach after what happened in April but I guess we will keep electing Clarence, TJ, and Wormyguy to keep ourselves pure. Lattebaggers?

It might have been convent for me to select a Labor running mate but it would be an empty gesture and frankly dishonest. Kalwejt and I both have been great allies to this party, Kal especially as a founder, and I think we have a track record appealing to your party even if we aren't wearing the Labor label.

Because you guys are trying to undermine them so you could turn the left into you're either with us or against us mentality. At the same time you don't use any harsh rhetoric against the right(RP, Clarence) that you waste on Tweed. Of course your goal is to win while my goal is for left to win, preferably the most-left candidate, so it's better for your campaign to destroy Tweed.

[LastVoter]

Harsh rhetoric against Tweed? Think again, or even read my response to his video attacking me. But of course we will overlook that because as Bgwah even said:

I see the Atlasian left has reverted to a dysfunctional joke.

Bgwah is correct, which is why i am questioning the point of the Labor party. He is by far currently the best left candidate in the field, unfortunately he is a VP paired with tarnished Tweed. This would be a cakewalk for the right if you were to switch around positions of Yelnoc and Clarence on their ticket.
edit: You are also forgetting everything that happened before the video.

[LastVoter]

And you're saying I should focus on Clarence? I am trying to defeat Clarence! The only way to beat Clarence is to beat the unelectable leftist tickets that I am forced to compete for votes with. Who am I more likely to win a vote from, a Clarence supporter or a Snowstalker/Tweed/Oakvale supporter? Think about that. Trust me, I would MUCH rather focus on Clarence, your insistence on preventing that is the problem.

Clarence and Yelnoc have the highest favorabilities. Tweed and Snowstalker have the worst. It is the undeniable reality so don't blame me for saying it. I have no personal issue with anyone in the race but use some perspective.

I think you are pretty much the responsible party for Tweed's unfavorable ratings, since you attacked him while he decided not to respond.  You are ignoring the elephant in the room: You would rather have Clarence win than Tweed or Snowstalker, and that's why the left refuses to help you.  You do realize that if you let Tweed have positive ratings, his voters are very likely to give you second preference, and Tweed's voting block isn't that large to eliminate you. You are paranoid of the off-chance that left will have more core supporters than your tickets, instead of trying to shore up the left so that every ticket has SS/Tweed/you in some order and as much turnout of that turnout is generated(but that could be a losing strategy for you, so you won't endorse it).

[LastVoter]

Do you remember how the left won last election? It was a non-aggression pact between Labor, Socialists and Liberals. But that doesn't work because Labor needed one or two more votes to gain the presidency, which could have happened since Labor had a registrational advantage now until it was killed a couple weeks ago.

[LastVoter]

Young Tweed himself is right here: the only candidate who has even the most tedious understanding of the labor question, seeking any and all Labor Party members who are able and willing, and willing to take your questions.

Tweed you realize we are talking about the left trying to be somewhat united and you are on a whole different page

[LastVoter]

Nix, you realize the Labor Party voted to endorse me before Seatown intervened right? And I accepted their soul-searching and offered Snowstalker my second preference immediately at his first candidacy but now I don't know what I plan to do. I have stuck by my word, can't say the same for others.

With pathetic turn-out as Tweed pointed out. We were going to endorse Tweed before that too.

[LastVoter]

...May I appoint you as Proctor to put together and declare an endorsement vote to be held over the next...shall we say, three calendar days (ending, perhaps, 12 am or 1 am on Monday)?....

Endorsement vote:
Napoleon
[]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[]Yes []No
Oakvale
[]Yes []No
Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[]Napoleon
[]Young Tweed
[]Oakvale
Voting ends 6AM EST on Monday.

[LastVoter]

This is exceedingly minor, but shouldn't candidates be in alphabetical order?

This isn't an official election

[LastVoter]

What about 20RP12?

I didn't expect a lot of people voting to endorse him, but you can write him in.

[LastVoter]

Endorsement vote:
Napoleon
[X]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[X]Yes []No
Oakvale
[]Yes [X]No
Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[1]Napoleon
[2]Young Tweed
[N/A]Oakvale

[LastVoter]

Why not Oakvale?

He defines neoliberalism.

[LastVoter]

Results of Endorsement vote(Sorry Jackson, your vote is after the deadline).
Oakvale yes -8 no -1
Young Tweed yes-5 no-2
Napoleon yes-10 no- 0
RP2012 yes-1 no - 0
Preferential voting
Labor party will endorse Napoleon, Oakvale, Young Tweed, and RP2012
I took voter intention for RP2012 from one of the posters, if you guys find that practice questionable we can have a new vote on endorsement of RP2012.
Labor party preferred ticket order:
1 - Napoleon
2 - Oakvale
3 - Young Tweed
4 - RP2012

[LastVoter]

So who wants to become Pacific governor?

[LastVoter]

Too late to apply for endorsement?

What are you running for?

[LastVoter]

Wait why is there voting going on?

[LastVoter]

I suggest everyone votes for Oakvale over Napoleon, go see the debate thread for why. If you can get through reading all the moderate hero rhetoric that is.

[LastVoter]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153888.195
Looks like the rich will get a huge tax cut that workers will have to pay for.