James Carville puts young voters on blast in new rant - “You little f**king 26-year-old"

[Steve from Lambeth]

The issue is these young "progressives" seem intent to cut off their nose to spite their face. In 2016, many threw a tantrum that Bernie wasn't nominated and either stayed home or voted for Trump, and now they are the same ones protesting abortion bans, LGBTQ+ rights, and climate change which are a result of the Trump presidency.

and many of them won;'t get off their butts to vote because of Gaza.

And then they will be shocked and protest even more when Trump turns out to be even more pro-Israel than Biden ever was.

No wonder you always lose! Your idea of “persuasion” is the other guy is bad. How’d that work out for your boy Jeb?

And my idea of persuasion is a good Jane Austen novel. Maybe AHDuke should have thrown his lot in with The Donald; then he would know true, good culture.

The issue is these young "progressives" seem intent to cut off their nose to spite their face. In 2016, many threw a tantrum that Bernie wasn't nominated and either stayed home or voted for Trump, and now they are the same ones protesting abortion bans, LGBTQ+ rights, and climate change which are a result of the Trump presidency.

No one I know IRL did this. My parents voted for Hillary (originally planned on Stein as a protest since SC is safe R but they were turned off by her anti-vax BS) and voted for Biden despite being big Bernie people and farther left than me (my mom has a subscription to the Freedom Socialist newspaper FFS)

You have cool parents. (Although if I was at the point where I was supporting Republicans just because the fringe conservative candidates were too fringe for my liking, I would probably be O-SCT and not R-SCT...)

[DS0816]

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1784951750262395237

Let us keep in mind that, since 1993, James Carville—who claims disaster will strike with a Republican Party-affiliated U.S. President—is married to a Republican.

[Beet]

Voted Sanders both times, and held my nose and voted for the nominee both times. Personally, I feel like 2020 was a much tougher decision whether to withhold my vote or not compared to this year. That primary left a very bitter taste in my mouth. Ultimately Biden has exceeded my low expectations and turned out to be somewhat better than Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. Still bad, but I think these young lefties really lack perspective.

A Biden loss will lead to nothing good for the left. It is a suicidal strategy, and I am disappointed that so many of my comrades are so easily duped by this obvious psyop campaign that's been conducted on them. When Bernie Sanders, AOC, Noam Chomsky, and Ralph Nader are all saying Trump is too dangerous to allow a 2nd term, and these kids think they're smarter than these people, it underlines how nonexistant the left actually is. If you trust no one and refuse to build alliances or coalitions, you will lose. Every fascist votes. They vote pragmatically and relentlessely and it has delivered results. The left in the US is too weak and disorganized to survive if the country transitions to an auth-right regime.

Carville's an idiot, but he's right. He had a moment in 1992 and this is his 2nd broken clock moment.

How do you feel Biden is better than Clinton and Obama?

[Obama24]

Getting angry and ranting doesn't make anyone change their mind. The strategy has to be to lay out what is at stake in a way that resonates with young votes. This isn't about single issues or policy anymore, it's about having a democratically functioning country. Under Trump protests wouldn't be allowed.

The issue with the mantra “our democracy is at stake” is that, for a lot of people my age, we’ve heard that for most of the elections we’ve been aware for. So we’re numb to it. And if you grew up in a lot of states you’ve been under extremely gerrymandered, anti-democratic systems for your entire life, so what’s there to save?

(When I moved from South Carolina to Colorado their democracy infrastructure here seemed other worldly.)

“Saving democracy” is just too ethereal to connect. Abortion rights, housing, LGBT rights, living wage jobs, even climate change and gun safety are issues that we face in our daily lives. That’s what resonates with us.

Ultimately, it comes down to one thing: The economy.

Forget all the social issues you mention, Biden is perceived as being weak on the economy. The perception is also that the economy itself is weak. In times of (perceived or real) economic uncertainty you get this energy of division.

If Biden laser focused on the economy, on wages, on things with regard to the economy that effect the day to day lives of young people, he would win in a small landslide.

But it's an uphill climb for an 80 year old man who has been a politician for 50 years to really be relatable to someone in their 20s and 30s who is struggling.

[LabourJersey]

It's time for Carville to be put out to pasture. 

The problem is that Democrat's campaign message is essentially that Trump is so dangerous, so onerous to our "democracy" that Biden is the only responsible choice.  That isn't going to resonate with 26-year-olds, who were 17 when Trump famously rode down his escalator.  This is normal to them.

The bolded portion is something that I've been thinking about.

A fairly significant part of Democratic opposition to Trump is how he's an aberration from the usual way of doing politics (which he is). But for a whole generation of voters, a Trump Republican party is a core view of how they view politics.

I also wonder if the constant referring back to the 1930s/1940s (fascism, appeasement, persecution, war crimes, etc etc) might be adding to this - if you see a chaotic political world today, and read about chaotic politics in history, you may not think about stable political times, which is what Establishment folks think about.

[VBM]

The Carville derangement syndrome in this forum is so bizarre

[Steve from Lambeth]

The Carville derangement syndrome in this forum is so bizarre

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