Michele Bachmann tops Mitt Romney in fundraising

[Bull Moose Base]

*I speculated Palin would get in before Bachmann until she said  the opposite.  Then I figured it was too late and she'd probably endorse her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/us/politics/04bachmann.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Amazing the speed at which Michele supplanted Sarah.  I'd speculated Palin would announce in April to preempt her.  Might have been too late.  Palin boxed herself in saying she wouldn't run unless the field needed her.  Bachmann (like either Paul) lacks executive experience, but would Palin try to hang her hat on experience?  I think there's a good chance the Minnesota twins politely take digs at each other as they are both eyeing Iowa.   Remember back when Indiana was the state of two candidates: a boring governor and a hardline rep?

[Del Tachi]

Even though she's more conservative than Palin, the fact that she's not overexposed (at least not at this point) means she's much, much more likley to win the nomination and the general.

With these fundraising numbers and the "favorite daughter" effect, I would put her as the favorite in Iowa at this time.  However, the word "favorite" doesn't really mean at lot 9 months out...

[Smash255]

Even though she's more conservative than Palin, the fact that she's not overexposed (at least not at this point) means she's much, much more likley to win the nomination and the general.

With these fundraising numbers and the "favorite daughter" effect, I would put her as the favorite in Iowa at this time.  However, the word "favorite" doesn't really mean at lot 9 months out...

She has NO chance whatsoever at winning the General.  She is absolutely bats*** insane.

[Del Tachi]

Even though she's more conservative than Palin, the fact that she's not overexposed (at least not at this point) means she's much, much more likley to win the nomination and the general.

With these fundraising numbers and the "favorite daughter" effect, I would put her as the favorite in Iowa at this time.  However, the word "favorite" doesn't really mean at lot 9 months out...

She has NO chance whatsoever at winning the General.  She is absolutely bats*** insane.

She has a better shot than Palin.  People have had almost three years to form opinions of Palin, most of them not too favorable opinions either--the simple fact that Bachmann is not as well known as Palin makes puts her in a much better posistion to decide her own 2012 fate.

[Insula Dei]

I bet this is already somewhere in this thread, but it'd be in fact more honest to say that Bachmann's reelection campaign was very succesfull in raising cash. Only 500,000$ or so were explicitly donated to her Presidential effort.

[Mr. Morden]

I bet this is already somewhere in this thread, but it'd be in fact more honest to say that Bachmann's reelection campaign was very succesfull in raising cash. Only 500,000$ or so were explicitly donated to her Presidential effort.

None of it was explicitly donated to her presidential effort, as she doesn't have one yet.  Nor does Romney.  Remember that while PACs can be used as "pseudo-campaigns" for president, you can't actually use that money anymore once you start an exploratory committee.  Once Bachmann and Romney start their presidential campaigns (or exploratory committees), they'll have to start over on fundraising from scratch.  Of course, that also means they can go back to the same people.

[Smash255]

Even though she's more conservative than Palin, the fact that she's not overexposed (at least not at this point) means she's much, much more likley to win the nomination and the general.

With these fundraising numbers and the "favorite daughter" effect, I would put her as the favorite in Iowa at this time.  However, the word "favorite" doesn't really mean at lot 9 months out...

She has NO chance whatsoever at winning the General.  She is absolutely bats*** insane.

She has a better shot than Palin.  People have had almost three years to form opinions of Palin, most of them not too favorable opinions either--the simple fact that Bachmann is not as well known as Palin makes puts her in a much better posistion to decide her own 2012 fate.

No she doesn't, she has the same chance as Palin.  0% is the same as 0%.....

[Del Tachi]

Even though she's more conservative than Palin, the fact that she's not overexposed (at least not at this point) means she's much, much more likley to win the nomination and the general.

With these fundraising numbers and the "favorite daughter" effect, I would put her as the favorite in Iowa at this time.  However, the word "favorite" doesn't really mean at lot 9 months out...

She has NO chance whatsoever at winning the General.  She is absolutely bats*** insane.

She has a better shot than Palin.  People have had almost three years to form opinions of Palin, most of them not too favorable opinions either--the simple fact that Bachmann is not as well known as Palin makes puts her in a much better posistion to decide her own 2012 fate.

No she doesn't, she has the same chance as Palin.  0% is the same as 0%.....

You do know what "zero" means right?

fix'd

[Bull Moose Base]

You said do do!

[Del Tachi]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

[Smash255]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

No, its ignorant and extremely partisan to think someone like Palin or Bachmann can win.  They can't.   Neither one have a remote chance of winning a General Election.  And yes I know what zero is, that being the chances Palin or Bachmann have of being elected President.  0, zero, zilch, nada, no matter how you slice it they have no chance.

[Del Tachi]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

No, its ignorant and extremely partisan to think someone like Palin or Bachmann can win.  They can't.   Neither one have a remote chance of winning a General Election.  And yes I know what zero is, that being the chances Palin or Bachmann have of being elected President.  0, zero, zilch, nada, no matter how you slice it they have no chance.

I'd say Palin and Bachmann have a pretty good chance if gasoline tops the $5 mark, wouldn't you?  "Drill, baby, drill" has much more appeal than "long term, strategic investment in alternative energy sources"...

[Smash255]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

No, its ignorant and extremely partisan to think someone like Palin or Bachmann can win.  They can't.   Neither one have a remote chance of winning a General Election.  And yes I know what zero is, that being the chances Palin or Bachmann have of being elected President.  0, zero, zilch, nada, no matter how you slice it they have no chance.

I'd say Palin and Bachmann have a pretty good chance if gasoline tops the $5 mark, wouldn't you?  "Drill, baby, drill" has much more appeal than "long term, strategic investment in alternative energy sources"...

Nothing could get either one of those elected President.   Not to mention we were above $4 a gallon a few months prior to Election Day 08 and "Dill Baby Drill" didn't have much appeal outside the GOP base.

[King]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

No, its ignorant and extremely partisan to think someone like Palin or Bachmann can win. 

No, it's ignorant and extremely partisan to be Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann.

[Del Tachi]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

No, its ignorant and extremely partisan to think someone like Palin or Bachmann can win.  They can't.   Neither one have a remote chance of winning a General Election.  And yes I know what zero is, that being the chances Palin or Bachmann have of being elected President.  0, zero, zilch, nada, no matter how you slice it they have no chance.

I'd say Palin and Bachmann have a pretty good chance if gasoline tops the $5 mark, wouldn't you?  "Drill, baby, drill" has much more appeal than "long term, strategic investment in alternative energy sources"...

Nothing could get either one of those elected President.   Not to mention we were above $4 a gallon a few months prior to Election Day 08 and "Dill Baby Drill" didn't have much appeal outside the GOP base.

Any intelligent person would know that sans the financial crisis, the election would have been a lot closer and possibly McCain could of won. 

Bachmann could beat Obama easily if voters were very cocnerned over the economy come November 6, 2012...

[pbrower2a]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

No, its ignorant and extremely partisan to think someone like Palin or Bachmann can win.  They can't.   Neither one have a remote chance of winning a General Election.  And yes I know what zero is, that being the chances Palin or Bachmann have of being elected President.  0, zero, zilch, nada, no matter how you slice it they have no chance.

I'd say Palin and Bachmann have a pretty good chance if gasoline tops the $5 mark, wouldn't you?  "Drill, baby, drill" has much more appeal than "long term, strategic investment in alternative energy sources"...

Nothing could get either one of those elected President.   Not to mention we were above $4 a gallon a few months prior to Election Day 08 and "Dill Baby Drill" didn't have much appeal outside the GOP base.

Any intelligent person would know that sans the financial crisis, the election would have been a lot closer and possibly McCain could of won. 

Bachmann could beat Obama easily if voters were very concerned over the economy come November 6, 2012...

1. Unlike all current GOP figures involved or assumed to be part of the Presidential election, John McCain had some record of military heroism.

2. The economic crisis was inevitable. All economic bubbles collapse, and had the real estate bubble 'waited' to implode in 2009 or 2010, then the electoral  history would be very different.

3. People aren't going to quit showing concern about the economy until America has about five years of economic growth -- which means until at least 2014. As much a concern to most people will not be so much how much prosperity there is, but also how much of it is theirs.

4. The GOP will be remembered for its most recent episodes of control. Many of the Class of 2010 are going to implode if they haven't already. New governors like Scott Walker and Rick Scott are going to be worthless to any Republican nominee. Take a look at the mass demonstrations in Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and likely soon Florida and Pennsylvania as Corporatist Republicans attempt to dismantle every right that working people have.   

5. Nobody has a solution for themselves for high-priced gasoline except to quit using so much of it.  That means alternatives to auto-based travel (whoops! The Republicans want people to be even more dependent upon the International Oil Cartel -- absolutely no high-speed rail programs must be permitted!) Maybe people will just get used to it and spend their vacations at home doing jigsaw puzzles or watching old movies. Economic progress isn't eternal. Maybe people will change their commuting patterns by getting work closer to home.

At high-enough prices for motor fuels, many will adopt the Amish solution for travel. If you really need to get there and you don't care how long it takes,  even the Amish have some mobility.

7. Issues of national security and military policy will take precedence over much. The GOP has nothing but the legacy of Dubya on such -- catastrophic failure.   

8. President Obama is as astute a politician as President as we have seen for a very long time. He ran a superb campaign in 2008 and he will do much the same in 2012 with much the same people.  So far roughly the same result looks highly likely.

 



 

[Badger]

The fact of the matter is that it is ignorant and extremley-partisan to rule out any GOP contender this early in the game, including Bachmann and Palin.

No, its ignorant and extremely partisan to think someone like Palin or Bachmann can win.  They can't.   Neither one have a remote chance of winning a General Election.  And yes I know what zero is, that being the chances Palin or Bachmann have of being elected President.  0, zero, zilch, nada, no matter how you slice it they have no chance.

I'd say Palin and Bachmann have a pretty good chance if gasoline tops the $5 mark, wouldn't you?  "Drill, baby, drill" has much more appeal than "long term, strategic investment in alternative energy sources"...

Nothing could get either one of those elected President.   Not to mention we were above $4 a gallon a few months prior to Election Day 08 and "Dill Baby Drill" didn't have much appeal outside the GOP base.

Any intelligent person would know that sans the financial crisis, the election would have been a lot closer and possibly McCain could of won.  

Bachmann could beat Obama easily if voters were very cocnerned over the economy come November 6, 2012...

Okay, hypothetically then: What would be the absolute minimum odds you would take to bet $50 on Bachmann or Palin (either one) winning the nomination? Or how about the general election if we assume either (somehow) is the nominee?