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Devilman88
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« on: April 25, 2009, 02:18:07 PM »

Nothing will ever compare to the Solid South.  Starting with the 1880 election, a Republican didn't win a former Confederate state until 1920, when Harding won Tennessee by 3% of the vote.  In South Carolina, the GOP got 23.4% in 1884; they didn't get 20% again until 1952; in Mississippi, they got 26% in 1888, and did get 20% again until 1952.

The Solid South was unique in its scope.  We will never again see a region dominated so completely as long as we are a true two party system.

Or as long as we are a true democracy, where voting isn't limited to a small group of people.

Indeed. If the South had been a democracy, the Solid South never would've existed to begin with.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It still exists, except that Blacks can now vote as well. Whites in the South continue to vote as a bloc.

You make that out to be a bad thing?
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Devilman88
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Posts: 2,498


Political Matrix
E: 5.94, S: 2.61

« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2009, 03:03:21 PM »

Nothing will ever compare to the Solid South.  Starting with the 1880 election, a Republican didn't win a former Confederate state until 1920, when Harding won Tennessee by 3% of the vote.  In South Carolina, the GOP got 23.4% in 1884; they didn't get 20% again until 1952; in Mississippi, they got 26% in 1888, and did get 20% again until 1952.

The Solid South was unique in its scope.  We will never again see a region dominated so completely as long as we are a true two party system.

Or as long as we are a true democracy, where voting isn't limited to a small group of people.

Indeed. If the South had been a democracy, the Solid South never would've existed to begin with.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It still exists, except that Blacks can now vote as well. Whites in the South continue to vote as a bloc.

You make that out to be a bad thing?

Ummm... it is bad. It's bad that there is such a cultural disconnect and divide that people polarize on a (correlating and sometimes causal) issue as absurd as skin color.

What are you talking about? He said that southern whites are a voting bloc, just so happens that the vote for the Republicans. Whites overall nation wide vote for the Republican candidate. It's not different then blacks voting for the Democrats.
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Devilman88
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 11:38:05 AM »

*When I say a state is like another state I mean them state were about the same percentage above national average in 2008.*

MD: In 2008 it was 19% more democratic then the national average, and trended Democratic. MD is like Mississippi, so yes MD is safe Democratic country.
DE: In 2008 it was 18% more democratic then the national average. DE is Biden's home state so they saw the home state swing too. So DE is truly about 12% to 15% more democratic then the national average in 2008. DE is like SC, so yes DE is safe Democratic country.
NJ: In 2008 NJ was 8% more democratic then the national average, and trended Republican. If the trend stays the same going into 2012 it will be about 6% to 7% more democratic then the national average. NJ is equal to MO, so no NJ isn't safe Democratic country.
PA: In 2008 PA was 3% more democratic then the national average, and trended Republican. If the trend stays the same going into 2012 it will be about 1% more democratic then the national average. PA is like FL in 2008, so no PA isn't safe Democratic country, but a battleground state in a 50-50 race.
NY: IN 2008 NY was about 20% more democratic then the national average, and trended Republican. If the trend stays the same going into 2012 it will be about 18% more democratic then the national average. So yes it democratic country.
CT: In 2008 CT was about 16% more democratic then the national average and trended Democratic. CT is like TX so yes it is democratic country.
RI: IN 2008 RI was 21% more democratic then the national average and trended Republican. But it's still safe democratic country.
MA: In 2008 MA was about 19% more democratic then the national average. Safe democratic country.
VT: VT was 30% more democratic then the national average, do I need to say more?
NH: IN 2008 NH was 2% more democratic then the national average, and trended Republican. If the trends stay the same in 2012 it will be .5% more democratic then the national average. So, no NH isn't safe democratic country, but a battleground state.
ME: IN 2008 ME was 11% more democratic then the national average, and trended Republican. If the trends stay the same in 2012 it will be about 10% more democratic then the national average. So, ME is lean democratic country.
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