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« on: May 25, 2018, 10:51:19 PM »
« edited: May 30, 2018, 09:49:58 PM by Representative-Elect politicalmasta73 »

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gore won it by 20, clinton 38
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2018, 10:52:27 PM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2018, 11:28:11 PM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2018, 12:28:45 AM »


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Bush won Dallas County in 2000, and Hillary only won it by 26 points in 2016.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2018, 01:40:43 AM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2018, 06:15:11 AM »

Assuming you are talking about Dallas County, Texas (which I'm not entirely sure you are based on the numbers in this post), Dallas County flipping is a rather recent phenomenon that happened by 2004, it has been growing steadily more blue ever since. It is fueled by a massive influx of population into Dallas County and the surrounding areas coupled with a broad shift in Texas politics that led to democrats growing in power across the urban areas of the State. Up until the 1990's, GOP did well in the urban areas and democrats did well in the rural areas because of how the parties were, but this flipped and so Austin (Travis county), San Antonio (bexar county), Houston (harris county), and Dallas (dallas county) all flipped or have been trending D (bexar and harris voted for abbott in 2014)
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2018, 11:06:26 AM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
the rural areas make or break if you win the south. Also, I think it is debatable to say Bush had a better performance in the south considering the circumstances, but it is just a fact trump did better there, overall
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2018, 01:51:32 PM »

Wow, I had assumed the OP was talking about Dallas County, TX, and I wondered where he got those numbers from. IIRC, I think Bush actually won Dallas city (TX) in 2000.

For Dallas County, AL, although Gore underperformed in 2000, it was one of 2 AL counties to swing Dem in 2004, while the state of AL had the strongest swing towards Bush in 2004.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2018, 06:23:37 PM »

It's probably best to clarify which state you're talking about if you're talking about a lesser-known entity similarly named to a more famous entity. Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2018, 09:18:09 PM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
the rural areas make or break if you win the south. Also, I think it is debatable to say Bush had a better performance in the south considering the circumstances, but it is just a fact trump did better there, overall

In what way?

Trump did better in WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL, and weaker just about everywhere else, including all of the biggest states in the region and the ones with the best growth.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2018, 10:08:04 PM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
the rural areas make or break if you win the south. Also, I think it is debatable to say Bush had a better performance in the south considering the circumstances, but it is just a fact trump did better there, overall

In what way?

Trump did better in WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL, and weaker just about everywhere else, including all of the biggest states in the region and the ones with the best growth.
those arent really southern, they are mostly hispanic, if you are referring to what I think you are.
also, WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL is the real "deep south, which is what this thread relates to.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2018, 10:56:43 PM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
the rural areas make or break if you win the south. Also, I think it is debatable to say Bush had a better performance in the south considering the circumstances, but it is just a fact trump did better there, overall

In what way?

Trump did better in WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL, and weaker just about everywhere else, including all of the biggest states in the region and the ones with the best growth.
those arent really southern, they are mostly hispanic, if you are referring to what I think you are.
also, WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL is the real "deep south, which is what this thread relates to.

Of those states, only AL is deep South by the way.

You also didn't qualify it earlier you just said Trump did better in the South than Bush, which is blatantly incorrect.


Also the funny thing about attaching strings to compass direction based names, is when those strings cease to exist, it is impossible to argue that such names no longer exist. When the South is completely transformed and Democrats regularly win states like VA, NC, GA, SC, FL, MS, TX and possibly LA, these states will still be "southern states", irregardless of the connotations that such previously implied politically no longer applying. Demographic changes bring new understandings and new connotations.

Northern states are still Northern states even though puritanical Calvinism, business interests and Yankee whites no longer control the region.


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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2018, 04:42:31 PM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
the rural areas make or break if you win the south. Also, I think it is debatable to say Bush had a better performance in the south considering the circumstances, but it is just a fact trump did better there, overall

In what way?

Trump did better in WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL, and weaker just about everywhere else, including all of the biggest states in the region and the ones with the best growth.
those arent really southern, they are mostly hispanic, if you are referring to what I think you are.
also, WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL is the real "deep south, which is what this thread relates to.

Of those states, only AL is deep South by the way.

You also didn't qualify it earlier you just said Trump did better in the South than Bush, which is blatantly incorrect.


Also the funny thing about attaching strings to compass direction based names, is when those strings cease to exist, it is impossible to argue that such names no longer exist. When the South is completely transformed and Democrats regularly win states like VA, NC, GA, SC, FL, MS, TX and possibly LA, these states will still be "southern states", irregardless of the connotations that such previously implied politically no longer applying. Demographic changes bring new understandings and new connotations.

Northern states are still Northern states even though puritanical Calvinism, business interests and Yankee whites no longer control the region.



yes, i was wrong about any of those besideas AL being part of the deep south. Also, I never implied a political connotation to the name, but it does happen to exist. Also sorry, I must be confused, because Trump did do better in the south (Gore and Kerry did much better in the parts of Texas one would qualify as the south.) Would you mind explaining what you define as the south?
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2018, 11:30:25 AM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
the rural areas make or break if you win the south. Also, I think it is debatable to say Bush had a better performance in the south considering the circumstances, but it is just a fact trump did better there, overall

In what way?

Trump did better in WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL, and weaker just about everywhere else, including all of the biggest states in the region and the ones with the best growth.
those arent really southern, they are mostly hispanic, if you are referring to what I think you are.
also, WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL is the real "deep south, which is what this thread relates to.

Of those states, only AL is deep South by the way.

You also didn't qualify it earlier you just said Trump did better in the South than Bush, which is blatantly incorrect.


Also the funny thing about attaching strings to compass direction based names, is when those strings cease to exist, it is impossible to argue that such names no longer exist. When the South is completely transformed and Democrats regularly win states like VA, NC, GA, SC, FL, MS, TX and possibly LA, these states will still be "southern states", irregardless of the connotations that such previously implied politically no longer applying. Demographic changes bring new understandings and new connotations.

Northern states are still Northern states even though puritanical Calvinism, business interests and Yankee whites no longer control the region.



yes, i was wrong about any of those besideas AL being part of the deep south. Also, I never implied a political connotation to the name, but it does happen to exist. Also sorry, I must be confused, because Trump did do better in the south (Gore and Kerry did much better in the parts of Texas one would qualify as the south.) Would you mind explaining what you define as the south?

Bush's win was shallow relative to Trump in some rural areas, but spread across a wider area.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2018, 01:09:22 PM »

NCYankee, are you referring to Bush 2000 or Bush 2004? Bush 2000 was indeed a pretty shallow win across the entire South (only winning Louisiana by 7, for example), but Bush 2004 cleaned up in the South, as a pretty big improvement.
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2018, 12:00:11 AM »


This is totally wrong. Clinton never won Dallas County. Bush 2000 won it by 7.7% and by only 1.4% in 2004. It's been democratic since 2008. Hillary won it by 25.9%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_County,_Texas#Politics
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2018, 05:15:29 AM »

- The Republican nominee he was facing was the Governor of Texas


- Clinton won much larger nationally than gore did
fair, but trump dominated the south. and bush and trump seem to be on the same level in terms of black vote.

Trump actually did not dominate the South, not in the way that Bush did. Trump's best areas were rural, mountain and ex coal mining areas. He lost a lot of ground in high end and well educated suburbs in places like Texas and Georgia. Bush wiped the floor with the Democrats getting 65% in some cases in these same areas. Part of this is as much to do with increased proportion of the votes of these states being cast by minorities and millennial whites as well, not just people going from Bush in 2000/2004 to voting for Clinton in 2016. 
the rural areas make or break if you win the south. Also, I think it is debatable to say Bush had a better performance in the south considering the circumstances, but it is just a fact trump did better there, overall

In what way?

Trump did better in WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL, and weaker just about everywhere else, including all of the biggest states in the region and the ones with the best growth.
those arent really southern, they are mostly hispanic, if you are referring to what I think you are.
also, WV, KY, MO, TN, AR, OK and AL is the real "deep south, which is what this thread relates to.

Of those states, only AL is deep South by the way.

You also didn't qualify it earlier you just said Trump did better in the South than Bush, which is blatantly incorrect.


Also the funny thing about attaching strings to compass direction based names, is when those strings cease to exist, it is impossible to argue that such names no longer exist. When the South is completely transformed and Democrats regularly win states like VA, NC, GA, SC, FL, MS, TX and possibly LA, these states will still be "southern states", irregardless of the connotations that such previously implied politically no longer applying. Demographic changes bring new understandings and new connotations.

Northern states are still Northern states even though puritanical Calvinism, business interests and Yankee whites no longer control the region.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2018, 07:42:04 AM »


This is totally wrong. Clinton never won Dallas County. Bush 2000 won it by 7.7% and by only 1.4% in 2004. It's been democratic since 2008. Hillary won it by 25.9%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_County,_Texas#Politics

The OP is talking about Dallas County, Alabama
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2018, 06:42:50 PM »

seriously OP; give us the actual state next time, i was so confused
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2018, 08:34:33 AM »

There is white flight and dropping population in Dallas County, Alabama.  It was 63% black for the 2000 census, 69% for the 2010 census. 
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