Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[henster]

Weird and unnecessary lie from Biden on OBL raid, don't see the point in giving the Trump campaign ammo like this.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1213233184445542400

[President Johnson]

Weird and unnecessary lie from Biden on OBL raid, don't see the point in giving the Trump campaign ammo like this.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1213233184445542400

I agree on this one, he advised against due to the enormous risk. Even Hillary confirmed that he advised Obama not to give the order in a recent interview with Howard Stern.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I dont deny that Bin Laden is dead, the raid was the last clear chance that Dems got on killing him, but pictures never confirmed his death; consequently,  Bin Laden could of been killed in Tora Bora or died in a cave from Dialysis

[James Monroe]

Non-Biden fan here. There is no debate about his electability with the public. Look who is wining the Southern Black vote to see for themselves.

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/1213154186520678402

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

There is absolutely nothing on the ground that confirms this.

Wishful thinking by POLITICO.

It is Politico, what do you expect???

[Cinemark]

Non-Biden fan here. There is no debate about his electability with the public. Look who is wining the Southern Black vote to see for themselves.

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/1213154186520678402

Sanders doesn't really have an electibility argument like he did in 2016 against Hillary. Biden is factually polling ahead of Sanders both nationally and in swing states.

[junior chįmp]

Non-Biden fan here. There is no debate about his electability with the public. Look who is wining the Southern Black vote to see for themselves.

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/1213154186520678402

Yes....if Joe Biden didn't show up for Doug Jones....he would of lost. Just the mere sight of Joe Biden next to a candidate is enough to help elect them anywhere at all times. Just ask Fred Upton

[Adam Griffin]

Non-Clinton fan here. There is no debate about her electability with the public. Look who is wining the Southern Black vote to see for themselves.

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/1213154186520678402

That's about the dumbest tweet I've seen this week. Doug Jones is going to lose. Joe Cunningham is not going to be saved or defeated based on a presidential campaign. Debbie Stabenow won re-election two years ago (unless we're counting Biden uplifting MI GOP congressmen with his praise in advance of the 2018 election as assistance for MI Democrats?). What's next: pumping resources into NOLA to pad our PV wins?

The fact that 10% of the Democratic primary coalition is clustered within one region and bloc votes doesn't make them all-seeing oracles of electability - by definition, quite the contrary! Just for amusement, here are a few of the many 2020 Democratic primary constituencies that will comprise 1 in 10 voters or more:

• Men
• Women
• Non-Southerners
• White Men
• White Women
• Latinos
• Union Members
• Christians
• Non-Religious
• College Graduates
• Non-College Graduates
• White College Graduates
• White Non-College Graduates
• Liberals
• Moderates
• Rural voters
• Californians
• Gun Owners (!)
• Trump Voters (!!)*
• 18-30 Year Olds
• 30-44 Year-Olds
• 45-64 Year-Olds
• 65+ Year-Olds
• People who think the Russia investigation was politically motivated (!!)

So how about we just chill out on the "muh electability" argument for a constituency that could be predicted to be in Biden's corner from Day 1 by anybody with even a basic understanding of psephology (among other horribly silly hot takes)?

* It might not match the figure, but it'll be close (>7%)

[Mr. Smith]

Non-Biden fan here. There is no debate about his electability with the public. Look who is wining the Southern Black vote to see for themselves.

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/1213154186520678402

That only proves it's a vicious cycle, getting support that's he's electable because the media keep saying as much, blocking out anyone else...which then shows up in the polling.

It's the same reason Trump got so much investment to get so rich and bailed out, 'cuz he kept saying he had a fortune when he didn't really [or at least not to the extent claimed]

Also, that's an electorate that will show up in the general and was part of the 88% that voted for Hillary.

It's the other 5% of the black vote that didn't show up that cost Hillary and saved Obama.

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1213655688360202240

https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1213653064730783744

[American2020]

Why Biden is going to win the Democrat presidential nomination

Even though the Iowa caucus isn’t for another month, I feel confident that Joe Biden will be the Democrat presidential nominee. Here’s why.

It starts with the polls. Biden has been dominant. Since Real Clear Politics started its polling average in December 2018, Biden has led for all but one day. Sen. Elizabeth Warren eclipsed him by 0.2 percentage points on Oct. 2. She now trails him by 13 percent and is in third place, also trailing Sen. Bernie Sanders.

This isn’t how many political pundits expected last year to go. They chalked up Biden’s pre-announcement lead to his high name ID. He was supposed to gaffe his way into an early exit. He wasn’t progressive enough for the liberal wing of the party either.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-why-biden-is-going-to-win-the-democrat-presidential-nomination-1928520/

[American2020]

Trump Administration is making Biden a favor.

https://twitter.com/politicususa/status/1213831687035129858

[American2020]

Biden is playing the anti-war card.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1213908021304332288

[Orser67]

Members of Congress Chrissy Houlahan (Philly suburbs) Conor Lamb (Pittsburgh’s suburbs), and Elaine Luria (Virginia Beach) all endorsed Biden. Not a huge surprise but still a good get for his campaign.

[Non Swing Voter]

Members of Congress Chrissy Houlahan (Philly suburbs) Conor Lamb (Pittsburgh’s suburbs), and Elaine Luria (Virginia Beach) all endorsed Biden. Not a huge surprise but still a good get for his campaign.

That's awesome.  Not sure how much impact any one of these will have but I think collectively it could make a big deal.

[junior chįmp]

Biden is playing the anti-war card.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1213908021304332288

Lol. Imagine voting for the Iraq War and having the gall to say this shìt

[Non Swing Voter]

Biden is playing the anti-war card.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1213908021304332288

Lol. Imagine voting for the Iraq War and having the gall to say this shìt

Not defending the Iraq War vote, I was against it at the time too.  However, there was the whole lying about WMD's thing that the GWB did.  It was a different environment. 

[junior chįmp]

Biden is playing the anti-war card.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1213908021304332288

Lol. Imagine voting for the Iraq War and having the gall to say this shìt

Not defending the Iraq War vote, I was against it at the time too.  However, there was the whole lying about WMD's thing that the GWB did.  It was a different environment. 

Everyone knew Bush was lying and Biden probably, deep down , knew it too but he didn't care because this is a guy with no real principles or convictions who views politics as a 9 to 5 job where he just clocks in, goes through the motions, and then go clocks out and go home. People like Joe Biden have this Pavlovian need to be friends with and get along with everyone so any group in his coalition is a potential bargaining chip. He's convinced himself that he's some LBJ like figure who'll accomplish great feats with his 4 decades long and largely meaningless career in politics, to accomplish things via bipartisanship with an opposing political party that is launching investigations against him before he's even in office. (Back in the day....the GOP used to at least wait till Dems were in office till they launched phony investigations against them)

I dont blame Dems for supporting him because let's face it....even most Dem voters will abandon issues important to them in order to defeat the GOP and pretend they had an epiphany in order to justify it. It's been like that for the last 4 decades.

[GeneralMacArthur]

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

[junior chįmp]

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

The fact is that Biden is a charlatan with no real principles. Even most Dems on this site voting for him acknowledge that but they live forever in fear due to spooky McGovern and Mondale from elections past.

[GeneralMacArthur]

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

Bro, he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

If anyone is looking for more details on why Biden's record is awful, I would be happy to hear another candidate make a serious, point-by-point take-down of Biden's hilarious plan to partition Iraq. No one could take his supposed foreign policy bona fides seriously after listening to that.

I too thought that plan was totally hairbrained.  Unified Iraq isn't looking so stable these days, though, so it's not like we had many good options.

[junior chįmp]

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

Bro, he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

So what? Does that make him an all knowing sage with wisdom none of us can comprehend? Biden is just your standard no frills no principles politician. Hardly something to be surprised about. Washington is full of people like him. Just a gray supine bunch of people that no one will remember that all blend in with one another. No different than the businessman in the movie American Psycho comparing business cards.

[GeneralMacArthur]

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

Bro, he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

So what? Does that make him an all knowing sage with wisdom none of us can comprehend? Biden is just your standard no frills no principles politician. Hardly something to be surprised about. Washington is full of people like him. Just a gray supine bunch of people that no one will remember that all blend in with one another. No different than the businessman in the movie American Psycho comparing business cards.

Oh yeah, I'm sure they made him chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and then he never put a second of thought into any of it.

https://www.cfr.org/election2020/candidate-tracker/joe-biden

I mean, totally clueless.  Clearly this is a man who has no idea what he's talking about.

I may not know a damn thing else about foreign policy, but I had the good sense, unlike my good friend Joe, to vote against the biggest disaster in American history, the Iraq War.  HURR DURR THAT ALL THAT MATTERS

[junior chįmp]

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

Bro, he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

So what? Does that make him an all knowing sage with wisdom none of us can comprehend? Biden is just your standard no frills no principles politician. Hardly something to be surprised about. Washington is full of people like him. Just a gray supine bunch of people that no one will remember that all blend in with one another. No different than the businessman in the movie American Psycho comparing business cards.

Oh yeah, I'm sure they made him chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and then he never put a second of thought into any of it.

https://www.cfr.org/election2020/candidate-tracker/joe-biden

I mean, totally clueless.  Clearly this is a man who has no idea what he's talking about.

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Yes....because history is not filled with examples of people in positions of power or intellect who were considered experts who weren't wrong about anything. Who can remember back in the 60s when the "best and the brightest" were put in charge of the Vietnam War and stunningly succeeded in defeating the Viet Cong. Who can remember back in the early 90s when big brain economists promised us that free trade agreements like NAFTA would not lead to manufacturing job losses?

The fact that a person is in a position of power or assumed expertise does not make them them some wise all knowing safe you fool. As a matter of fact, most experts are as dumb as people off the street.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Yes....because history is not filled with examples of people in positions of power or intellect who were considered experts who weren't wrong about anything. Who can remember back in the 60s when the "best and the brightest" were put in charge of the Vietnam War and stunningly succeeded in defeating the Viet Cong. Who can remember back in the early 90s when big brain economists promised us that free trade agreements like NAFTA would not lead to manufacturing job losses?

The fact that a person is in a position of power or assumed expertise does not make them them some wise all knowing safe you fool. As a matter of fact, most experts are as dumb as people off the street.

I'm not arguing that he was "successful" (that's not even really a thing in that position), but you said

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

This flies in the face of all evidence and you have no reason to believe this other than wanting it to be true.